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The fact that you dont have information doesnt mean that that it doesnt happen !
The fact that you dont have information doesnt mean that that it doesnt happen !
ehm..
lets face reality man, who gets advantages from BCE "saving" actions?
Italy? spain?
LOL.
ehm..
lets face reality man, who gets advantages from BCE "saving" actions?
Italy? spain?
LOL.
After we have arcade games now I think it is wasting my time to continue here, bye....
Somethings else:
wiki - Hydraulic fracturing
Countries fracking is a possibility to get the shale gas or already happens: Picture of the world
Full docu:
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wiki - Hydraulic fracturing
Countries fracking is a possibility to get the shale gas or already happens: Picture of the world
Full docu:
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Interesting, but they dont have chance to be free, like people in Kosovo or so.... :-).
as curiosity, this flag, the old Aragon Kingdom flag, is present i some belgian village "shields" as i have seen and talked about with a belgian user whos name i dont remember
It was, in those days, the vatican flag, a way to say "we are catholics" on the reconquer times, the colours red and yellow were vatican colours:
l historiador Guillermo Fatás Cabeza y el catedrátido de heráldica de la Institución Fernando el Católico, dependiente del CSIC, Guillermo Redondo9 postulan la tesis de que el emblema de las barras de gules en campo de oro proviene de la temprana vinculación del Reino de Aragón con la Santa Sede y estaría inspirado en el viaje que Sancho Ramírez (1064-1094) hizo a Roma en 1068 para consolidar el joven Reino de Aragón ofreciéndose en vasallaje al Papa, documentado incluso en la cuantía del tributo de 600 marcos de oro al año. El escudo real recogería los colores propios del Papado presentes en las cintas de lemnisco de los sellos de la Santa Sede, y son visibles hoy todavía en la umbrella Vaticana.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandera_de_Arag%C3%B3n
It was, in those days, the vatican flag, a way to say "we are catholics" on the reconquer times, the colours red and yellow were vatican colours:
l historiador Guillermo Fatás Cabeza y el catedrátido de heráldica de la Institución Fernando el Católico, dependiente del CSIC, Guillermo Redondo9 postulan la tesis de que el emblema de las barras de gules en campo de oro proviene de la temprana vinculación del Reino de Aragón con la Santa Sede y estaría inspirado en el viaje que Sancho Ramírez (1064-1094) hizo a Roma en 1068 para consolidar el joven Reino de Aragón ofreciéndose en vasallaje al Papa, documentado incluso en la cuantía del tributo de 600 marcos de oro al año. El escudo real recogería los colores propios del Papado presentes en las cintas de lemnisco de los sellos de la Santa Sede, y son visibles hoy todavía en la umbrella Vaticana.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandera_de_Arag%C3%B3n
It are indeed the colors of the flag of the Papal States (which is the predecessor of the Vatican state). However, I don't see how that's relevant in Catalonia's legitimate demand for autonomy or independence.
And yes, those colors are present in some shields, for instance Liège (which was until the Napoleonic era a prince-bishopric):
That Catalan demand for autonomy interests me because its demand is based on leftist ideas, on ideas as solidarity and community (just like in the Basque Country or Scotland). This contradicts (or better: opposes) with the situation in Belgium, where the demand for autonomy (in Flanders) is based on more economic liberal ideas. The important political parties that ask for full autonomy or independence are a far-right (anti-immigration and anti-Islam) party and a moderate conservative party. Belgian people often think it's logical that demand for autonomy or independence is a rightist movement, while nationalism is - it its essence - a leftist idea.
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And yes, those colors are present in some shields, for instance Liège (which was until the Napoleonic era a prince-bishopric):
That Catalan demand for autonomy interests me because its demand is based on leftist ideas, on ideas as solidarity and community (just like in the Basque Country or Scotland). This contradicts (or better: opposes) with the situation in Belgium, where the demand for autonomy (in Flanders) is based on more economic liberal ideas. The important political parties that ask for full autonomy or independence are a far-right (anti-immigration and anti-Islam) party and a moderate conservative party. Belgian people often think it's logical that demand for autonomy or independence is a rightist movement, while nationalism is - it its essence - a leftist idea.
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And yes, those colors are present in some shields, for instance Liège...
Isn't that a heritage from the "Spanish Netherlands" era?
Also, nationalism originates from liberal movements (cosmopolite dinasties vs nation states), but it has nothing to do with being leftist or rightist.
Isn't that a heritage from the "Spanish Netherlands" era?
Also, nationalism originates from liberal movements (cosmopolite dinasties vs nation states), but it has nothing to do with being leftist or rightist.
Isn't that a heritage from the "Spanish Netherlands" era?
Well, Liège was never a part of the Spanish Netherlands (it was more or less the only area of current Belgium that was not in the hands of the Spaniards or Austrians). Liège was led by the cleric (the prince-bishop of Liège was also the political leader of the bishopric), and their flag was the same as the one of the Papal States
nationalism originates from liberal movements (cosmopolite dinasties vs nation states), but it has nothing to do with being leftist or rightist
Yes, it's a liberal movement, but it is also a collectivist idea (and therefore opposes the liberal individualism).
Well, Liège was never a part of the Spanish Netherlands (it was more or less the only area of current Belgium that was not in the hands of the Spaniards or Austrians). Liège was led by the cleric (the prince-bishop of Liège was also the political leader of the bishopric), and their flag was the same as the one of the Papal States
nationalism originates from liberal movements (cosmopolite dinasties vs nation states), but it has nothing to do with being leftist or rightist
Yes, it's a liberal movement, but it is also a collectivist idea (and therefore opposes the liberal individualism).
well, after you said this:
In principle, you're right. In a libertarian world, I'm not financially responsible for what my government does (because in a libertarian world, my government cannot do a lot). But we don't live in a libertarian society, do we? Someone has to pay.
your claims about libertarianism has a value of zero euros , or zero dollars if you prefer : )
In principle, you're right. In a libertarian world, I'm not financially responsible for what my government does (because in a libertarian world, my government cannot do a lot). But we don't live in a libertarian society, do we? Someone has to pay.
your claims about libertarianism has a value of zero euros , or zero dollars if you prefer : )
as usually, you are not right
while nationalism is - it its essence - a leftist idea.
In Catalonia, leftist party wanting the independence ( ERC), says they are not nationalist but independentist, because they claim nationalism is a right wing thing
the biggest right wing coallition who wants, some of them, more autonomy, some of them , independence ( CiU), they DO name nationalist to theirselves
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while nationalism is - it its essence - a leftist idea.
In Catalonia, leftist party wanting the independence ( ERC), says they are not nationalist but independentist, because they claim nationalism is a right wing thing
the biggest right wing coallition who wants, some of them, more autonomy, some of them , independence ( CiU), they DO name nationalist to theirselves
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I know what independentism is. I'm in favor of an independent Flanders. I'm not a nationalist.
And I should have mentioned that people in Belgium consider nationalism and independentism as the same.
And what parties call themselves doesn't matter. What they stand for does. Nationalism is a collectivist idea (independentism isn't a collectivist idea). I consider collectivism to be left wing.
I also never said that the Catalan independentists are nationalists.
I have to explain the difference you make a lot in Belgium, most of the time to people who are progressive and collectivist.
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And I should have mentioned that people in Belgium consider nationalism and independentism as the same.
And what parties call themselves doesn't matter. What they stand for does. Nationalism is a collectivist idea (independentism isn't a collectivist idea). I consider collectivism to be left wing.
I also never said that the Catalan independentists are nationalists.
I have to explain the difference you make a lot in Belgium, most of the time to people who are progressive and collectivist.
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