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2- they can force a country to do as they want using procedures that end in a severe bill for the country, bill that is due to EU treaty nobody asked to people to sign..

They can only take away funds, what they gave in the first place.

3- the foregin countries interest are often helped by big private investment banks (see how Deutsche Bank sold italian bond until Berlusconi's gov was substituted with a Merkel friends gov...)

If they bought it, they have the right to sell it anytime. But I guess they could buy and sell American or Russian bonds too for instance. The same could happen, if you would be out of the EU, so it's not related to the EU.

1-they are used by italian politician as an exscuse :" EU ask us to.. "

That's my main point. EU is just an excuse, and has no real power. Your politicians are afraid of you, because their hands are dirty. So they and their sidekicks (the media) try to manipulate you, and blame the EU. Until you don't realize this, your politicians will be able to do anything to you.

They can only take away funds, what they gave in the first place.


that's not true.

That's my main point. EU is just an excuse, and has no real power.
again that's false. see the 3 points.ù

Until you don't realize this, your politicians will be able to do anything to you.
A lot of people realized it, still a minority in front of the ideological blinded ones..
But a neofunded movement got 25% at recent political election.. this means something!!!

The real point is the time factor.
When we will be "cooked" well, Germany will drop us out from euro (or exit, or make two different euro currency, that's quite the same!!!), but it'll be too late. WE'll be economically destroyed!
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I don't think, that the Grillo movement can help too much on Italy. He just says what you want to hear, like EU is the badguy, politicians salaries should be lowered, people should decide in each minor case.

That's my main point. EU is just an excuse, and has no real power. Your politicians are afraid of you, because their hands are dirty. So they and their sidekicks (the media) try to manipulate you, and blame the EU. Until you don't realize this, your politicians will be able to do anything to you.

i partially agree, i agree with the first part. But te second, here on the news the EU si not blamed , in the general channels , what i "strongly suspect" is that the southern countries are blammed in some eastern or northern TVs, whic explains the attitued of some slovak users and other people who belives eveything shown on TV
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Probably it's different everywhere. Our government blames EU, banks and private business massively, and in the meantime they introduce new taxes every month. They disable every anti-corruption laws, there are more and more business and national defense secrets, freedom rights are slowly going down, election rights are distorted. Hungary starts to look like Putin's Russia, except we have no oil and nuclear weapons, and our "oligarchs" are not even comparable with the Russian ones. It's just pathetic.

And all that in the name of national sovereignty. When the EU says it's not right, our gov says things like "we won't be a colony", and we'll be independent from the IMF. And EU/IMF really can't do anything, it's totally useless. And people like all this crap, because it's anti-EU. How cool is that!

So that's why I'm a bit upset with all the anti-EU mumbo-jumbo these days. Of course EU is weak, and has plenty of problems, design-flaws, but nothing will go better just because our politicians turn against it. As a matter of fact, it's pretty dangerous.

I never told that Portugal is not supporting efsf or that they are little supporting or so...
I am telling just about the fact that poor slovaks have to pay too much to save your asses :-(

This is big true too ! I stand for idea that banks should be responsible for bad loans !
I dont care that a lot of them would go to bancrupcy and it will hurt for some time whole economy.

But german and franch want to save their banks and they have power to do it :-)

of some slovak users and other people who belives eveything shown on TV

I dont watch TV, just occasionaly (I rather read not mainstream news), but I believe to numbers :-)
We can talk about economy, we can describe facts in different words, but we can never cheat numbers :-) !

I don't think, that the Grillo movement can help too much on Italy

I'm very curious about what media tells about his movement outside Italy.
can you tell me what you know about M5S (five stars movement)?

I am telling just about the fact that poor slovaks have to pay too much to save German assets

I've heard about them more here. We can hear only a very few things in our media. Grillo is a humorist, his party is populist, EU-sceptic, and they collect protest-votes against the Italian political elit. From our media, it seems, they are always against something, but don't have a consistent program, about what they would do. If I remember correctly, I've also read that they wouldn't let politicians with criminal precedent to gain positions, but Grillo has a precedent. So he's not a member of the parliament, but he's still a party leader, which is interesting. I've also heard, they've made some alliance with other national radical movements, even if they're not really (far-)rightists.

We all know Orbán is not a great prime minister, and he doesn't take democracy very seriously ;-)

I think this part is propaganda (not your propaganda, it's media propaganda that obviously influece people..):

his party is populist, EU-sceptic,

like this:
From our media, it seems, they are always against something, but don't have a consistent program, about what they would do. If I remember correctly, I've also read that they wouldn't let politicians with criminal precedent to gain positions, but Grillo has a precedent. So he's not a member of the parliament, but he's still a party leader, which is interesting.

Grillo is not a politician, he never presented himself to any election. But this not because of the precedent (it's for a car incident), but because of M5S candidates are choosen by internet.

I've also heard, they've made some alliance with other national radical movements, even if they're not really (far-)rightists.

they have always said they'll never make any accord wuth other parties.

they have always said they'll never make any accord wuth other parties.

I guess they say it for other Italian parties. But it was some common initiative, with the True Finns, or some other European party like that. But I just vaguely remember about it, maybe it was some other similar party.

edit: You say he's not a politician. If he himself or his party claims this, it's really not sympathic then. He is a politician, you don't need an official position to be a politician. If you just lead a party "unofficially", or you're the face of that party, that's more than enough. And if he says, he is not, that's just not straight, it's not taking responsibility.
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I never told that Portugal is not supporting efsf or that they are little supporting or so...
I am telling just about the fact that poor slovaks have to pay too much to save your asses :-(

yu show you are not smart, when you start : blas bla bla PIIGS bla bla bla

and then you show a graphic in wich Portugal ( a PIIG country) is the third wich more pays relativiltly

i dont expect that you understund a word of what im writting

try to read somewhere what relative means, what absolute..

Oh yes, you said that you never voted for the power the EU has, which is true. But:
1) the representatives you elected did, and
2) did the Italian people ever vote to give the Italian government the power it has now? I don't think so.