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Oh yes, you said that you never voted for the power the EU has, which is true. But:
1) the representatives you elected did, and
2) did the Italian people ever vote to give the Italian government the power it has now? I don't think so.

It is obvious that you dont want to see sad true and mistakes of "your-as PIIGs" last incompetence governments.

And it is also obvious that you are trying to misrepresent every sad facts to your "form". As I told here many time, you can whatever you want till the time you want my money ! It is shame that you are misrepresented facts to hide that you need money from EU. We all create EFSF so we can make interest of YOUR bonds lower, otherwise south countries would be now in bankruptcy and they will destroy euro, which is also our currency, not just yours !

You say he's not a politician. If he himself or his party claims this, it's really not sympathic then. He is a politician, you don't need an official position to be a politician. If you just lead a party "unofficially", or you're the face of that party, that's more than enough. And if he says, he is not, that's just not straight, it's not taking responsibility.

that's right!!!
Looking at the word "politician" I intended it in a way (having a institutional role, presenting himself to electiong etc)

BTW: remember that that "party" in not a party, it's a movement, remember that decision about almost everything (politics, economics, candidature, money, etc) are taken by partecipants by web..
that means that Grillo is only a big communicator. that doensn't mean he's not a politician..

otherwise south countries would be now in bankruptcy and they will destroy euro, which is also our currency, not just yours !

so you saved yourself?
what the hell do you want so?

These are also propaganda in my opinion. Grillo is not a politician, his "movement" is not a party... Maybe what they do, is not politics?

These are not really important things in general, just communication. They need these, so they can make you feel like they're different. But these are the first little lies. Hopefully the last ones, of course. However if I'd have to bet, I'd say, the more they get close to power, the more they'll lie.

This base-democratic method you say, will be interesting as soon as they'll have the first conflicts inside the party, because the members will have different opinions about some strategic decisions.

These are also propaganda in my opinion. Grillo is not a politician, his "movement" is not a party... Maybe what they do, is not politics?

the question is if there are differences.
Yes there are.
So you need ti use a different word no?

Anyway, out of the word-traps, a newborn politic entity take 25% of vote in Italy, it is a sign of changhing? Yes.

These are not really important things in general, just communication.

Really?
It is not important to have a direct source of people from web to decide what an elected one must vote in parliament?
It is not important to refuse any behaviour/vote/alliance you didn't ask expressly to electors?
It is not important to ask for referendum upon big choices as Euro, taxation, army expenditure, nuclear energy?
I think they have an unique ENORMOUS flaw,
they still don't have a web site platform sure and certificated for their web-based democracy.

I didn't talk about anything you say. I said, it's not a very important thing, what they call themselves. Those are just words, even if not very honest ones. A politician is a politician even if he has different opinion about things. If a politician says he is not a politician, he's lying, that's how simple that is.

the question is if there are differences.
Yes there are.
So you need ti use a different word no?

Of course there are differences. There are lots of differences between leftist, rightist, environmentalist, liberal, anarchist, communist, fascist etc politicians. They are all politicians you know, so you don't need a different word for it.

Just one more thing I'd react to:

It is not important to ask for referendum upon big choices as Euro, taxation, army expenditure, nuclear energy?

Yes, these are very important things, and that's why I really don't like them.

Of course there are differences. There are lots of differences between leftist, rightist, environmentalist, liberal, anarchist, communist, fascist etc politicians. They are all politicians you know, so you don't need a different word for it.

sometimes I wonder if you read what I write.
I wrote that the need for a different word comes from a difference that IS.
None of those category can be used for M5S (that is "Grillo's movement" only for the media, in fact ha can't decide anything..).
Anyway , as I wrote, out of this word-trap.. so what???

Yes, these are very important things, and that's why I really don't like them.

that means you don't believe democracy, for me.
But I believe soon history facts will show that the subjects that didn't believed they can get citizens had signed their fate.

Sure, we'll see.

It is obvious that you dont want to see sad true and mistakes of "your-as PIIGs" last incompetence governments.

Again, for third and last time, : The fact that you blame PIIGs countries, and then you show a graphic in wich Portugal is the third! just show that you dont understund a word of this topic, please stay away from here . Signed: the humanity ; )

I repeat myself:

Oh yes, you said that you never voted for the power the EU has, which is true. But:
1) the representatives you elected did, and
2) did the Italian people ever vote to give the Italian government the power it has now? I don't think so.

if you confuse democracy with elections it is not my fault.

Dafuq? You said "We didn't get to vote on the agreements of the EU". You said that. Very clearly.

are you kiddin' me?
you wrote:
Oh yes, you said that you never voted for the power the EU has, which is true. But:
1) the representatives you elected did, and
2) did the Italian people ever vote to give the Italian government the power it has now? I don't think so.

and the answer it's obvious.
Elections is not democracy.
I refuse any kind of responsability of people upon their representant activities, in a un-democratic systems as our is.

You're obviously trolling. Or your English is really poor.

maybe both like I am :-DD