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And how would you conclude that classical liberals in general forbid trade unions? (For native English speaking people, your sentence does not make any sense, as liberalism there is not what it is in continental Europe.)
You should ask the guy from the quote. I'm guessing basic human rights and freedom.
I have never seen you declaring yourself Libertarian, that's why I asked.
I have never seen you declaring yourself Libertarian, that's why I asked.
Maybe because we're all from continental Europe?
Classical liberalism resulted the laissez faire states of the 19th century. Monopolies and cartels became issues in the early 20th century. These were new problems, that humanity had to face, and classical liberals didn't say much about these, because in their age, these didn't appear. An entrepeneur had the right to purchase other enterprises, or to negotiate with other entrepeneurs, so they could make monopolies and enterprises after all. But these weren't openly announced.
They also didn't care much about worker's rights, so they didn't wish to ban trade unions (workers were not that well organized in their era). Of course, the employers had all the rights to deal with the workers. So they didn't really forbid anything (their laissez faire governments did tho), they just gave the freedom rights to the employers to forbid anything they want.
Later modern liberals like Hayek said, that social fairness doesn't exist, and it's a very good thing for a worker to get fired, because he'll surely get another job that fits him better.
Classical liberalism resulted the laissez faire states of the 19th century. Monopolies and cartels became issues in the early 20th century. These were new problems, that humanity had to face, and classical liberals didn't say much about these, because in their age, these didn't appear. An entrepeneur had the right to purchase other enterprises, or to negotiate with other entrepeneurs, so they could make monopolies and enterprises after all. But these weren't openly announced.
They also didn't care much about worker's rights, so they didn't wish to ban trade unions (workers were not that well organized in their era). Of course, the employers had all the rights to deal with the workers. So they didn't really forbid anything (their laissez faire governments did tho), they just gave the freedom rights to the employers to forbid anything they want.
Later modern liberals like Hayek said, that social fairness doesn't exist, and it's a very good thing for a worker to get fired, because he'll surely get another job that fits him better.
Maybe because we're all from continental Europe?
But we do speak English, no?
Don't call Hayek a modern liberal. Modern liberalism is left liberalism, social liberalism.
Nice history-story. But I'm not a 19th century person, am I? The 19th century was not classical liberal.
But we do speak English, no?
Don't call Hayek a modern liberal. Modern liberalism is left liberalism, social liberalism.
Nice history-story. But I'm not a 19th century person, am I? The 19th century was not classical liberal.
We can talk about classical liberalism only in it's historical context. It's a very old ideology* from a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away.
*Sorry, I'm not very accurate here. It was not an ideology, it was a school of economics, and laissez faire liberalism was based on it.
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*Sorry, I'm not very accurate here. It was not an ideology, it was a school of economics, and laissez faire liberalism was based on it.
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Back when the animals still could talk.
Yes, sometimes their concepts were as close to reality as a fairy tale. But seriously, just say a classical liberal economist, who's talking about today's problems.
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