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So we have different opinions. Let it be.
You can stop any time you like ;)
If you're trying to argue that killing is killing, regardless of the purpose then you're intentionally oversimplifying things by ignoring the inherent moral difference. Without that moral difference, there's no difference between any killing, animal, person, plant.
I've quite clearly pointed out that moral difference and you're failed to address the difference in motivation, either because you can't or don't want to.
If you're trying to argue that killing is killing, regardless of the purpose then you're intentionally oversimplifying things by ignoring the inherent moral difference. Without that moral difference, there's no difference between any killing, animal, person, plant.
I've quite clearly pointed out that moral difference and you're failed to address the difference in motivation, either because you can't or don't want to.
I don't see the moral difference in killing some random puppies (which would end up in the streets somewhere and be a pain in the...).
Ah now you're just trying to justify your position with cynicism. There's no reason to be so sure that they would end up on the street.
Because the woman did it for fun, not necessity.
I was just going to add that. Trying to justify this as putting them out of their misery doesn't work in this case, the wellbeing of the animals clearly wasn't the intention.
R.I.P. Shoya Tomizawa
Nineteen-year-old Japanese Moto2 rider Shoya Tomizawa has died after a crash during Sunday's San Marino Grand Prix, the second death in the sport in two events.
Doctor Claudio Costa, part of the motorcycling world championship's medical team, told reporters the news.
Riders in the premier MotoGP class were also informed after their race, won by Dani Pedrosa.
"I found out now, when things like this happen nothing else matters," world champion Valentino Rossi told Mediaset television. "He was a lovely guy, it was a horrible accident."
Suter's Tomizawa was travelling at full speed when he fell off before a corner and was hit violently by the bikes of Alex De Angelis and Scott Redding, who both also tumbled but looked relatively unhurt.
A 13-year-old also died in a minor race before the Indianapolis MotoGP in the sport's last grand prix in August.
Motorcycling has always been among motorsport's most dangerous pursuits given riders are often thrown from their bikes and run the risk of hitting objects or being struck by other riders.
"You forget sometimes how easily something like this can happen. Sometimes our sport is just too dangerous," MotoGP rider Andrea Dovizioso said.
Moto2, the new name for the former 250cc category below MotoGP, still generates huge speeds and officials said they decided to continue with the race after the crash because of the fear of other accidents if a red flag was suddenly shown.
They added that Tomizawa was alive when he was taken from the track and rushed to a local hospital on Italy's east coast.
He was pronounced dead soon after.
The official news of his death had not filtered through before the start of the MotoGP race so the event went ahead.
Rossi, who suffered a broken leg in an accident before the Italian Grand Prix in June, led riders in a tribute to another dead Japanese colleague Daijiro Kato earlier in the week in a ceremony at Misano.
Kato, who lived in the Misano area, died after an accident at the Japanese Grand Prix in 2003.
Rossi has worked hard with other riders to try to make the sport safer but has said there is a limit to how much they can do.
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Nineteen-year-old Japanese Moto2 rider Shoya Tomizawa has died after a crash during Sunday's San Marino Grand Prix, the second death in the sport in two events.
Doctor Claudio Costa, part of the motorcycling world championship's medical team, told reporters the news.
Riders in the premier MotoGP class were also informed after their race, won by Dani Pedrosa.
"I found out now, when things like this happen nothing else matters," world champion Valentino Rossi told Mediaset television. "He was a lovely guy, it was a horrible accident."
Suter's Tomizawa was travelling at full speed when he fell off before a corner and was hit violently by the bikes of Alex De Angelis and Scott Redding, who both also tumbled but looked relatively unhurt.
A 13-year-old also died in a minor race before the Indianapolis MotoGP in the sport's last grand prix in August.
Motorcycling has always been among motorsport's most dangerous pursuits given riders are often thrown from their bikes and run the risk of hitting objects or being struck by other riders.
"You forget sometimes how easily something like this can happen. Sometimes our sport is just too dangerous," MotoGP rider Andrea Dovizioso said.
Moto2, the new name for the former 250cc category below MotoGP, still generates huge speeds and officials said they decided to continue with the race after the crash because of the fear of other accidents if a red flag was suddenly shown.
They added that Tomizawa was alive when he was taken from the track and rushed to a local hospital on Italy's east coast.
He was pronounced dead soon after.
The official news of his death had not filtered through before the start of the MotoGP race so the event went ahead.
Rossi, who suffered a broken leg in an accident before the Italian Grand Prix in June, led riders in a tribute to another dead Japanese colleague Daijiro Kato earlier in the week in a ceremony at Misano.
Kato, who lived in the Misano area, died after an accident at the Japanese Grand Prix in 2003.
Rossi has worked hard with other riders to try to make the sport safer but has said there is a limit to how much they can do.
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this is a hideous crime, but to film it and put it on YouTube is just completely unacceptable. As for the whole "killing animals for food is wrong" debate, KILLING OTHER ANIMALS FOR FOOD IS NATURAL. It's an instinct going back to when homo sapiens evolved. Throwing puppies in a river for no good reason is criminal. End of. Fin. Goodbye. Toodle pip. Au revoir mes amis.
The killing of the puppies is just a difference in culture. For western Europe it's a very cruel thing.
In eastern Europe, especially in rural zones, it's a very common thing to do. In many villages almost every house has some animals: a dog, some cats, pigs, cows and so on. And sometimes cats or dogs get pregnant because they are not tied in a leash all the time and they have some good time. So what does the owner do with the resulting puppies or kittens? First he tries to give them to anyone in the region, but if no one wants them, he has to get rid of them. And there many ways to do it.
So for you this seems a very cruel thing to do, but for me it's a normal thing, because THIS HAPPENS A LOT IN THIS AREA.
In eastern Europe, especially in rural zones, it's a very common thing to do. In many villages almost every house has some animals: a dog, some cats, pigs, cows and so on. And sometimes cats or dogs get pregnant because they are not tied in a leash all the time and they have some good time. So what does the owner do with the resulting puppies or kittens? First he tries to give them to anyone in the region, but if no one wants them, he has to get rid of them. And there many ways to do it.
So for you this seems a very cruel thing to do, but for me it's a normal thing, because THIS HAPPENS A LOT IN THIS AREA.
Because something happens a lot doesn't make it normal. And you should have fun when you're doing this...
So the problem is that the film is on youtube, or that she killed the puppies? For me it makes no difference if it's on YouTube, CNN, BBC, or not shown at all.
Again, there is a difference in motivation. I don't particularly agree with it but you're talking about something approaching necessity. There is no such necessity in this country
Animals for food (specially in North America) are grown in really bad conditions. They are living without space and sleeping in their own crap.
There is no need to kill animals for food. Is much more ecologic to grow vegetables and you can get all the food you need from vegetables and legumes.
There is no need to kill animals for food. Is much more ecologic to grow vegetables and you can get all the food you need from vegetables and legumes.
sorry but what is the purpose of a chicken? or a pig? they taste good! so erm, lets eat them :)
plus a vegetable feels pain too so haha :)
plus a vegetable feels pain too so haha :)