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Where would you prefer to live? As an Arab Palestinian in Israeli or as a Jewish Israeli in Palestine?
That's not the point.
I've never heard you demanding a boycott of Saudi Arabia.
That's also not the point.
But I know what you are trying to do and it won't happen.
That's not the point.
I've never heard you demanding a boycott of Saudi Arabia.
That's also not the point.
But I know what you are trying to do and it won't happen.
That's not the point.
But it is relevant.
That's also not the point.
Once again, if you're consistent, you should boycott Saudi Arabia and Iran too.
But it is relevant.
That's also not the point.
Once again, if you're consistent, you should boycott Saudi Arabia and Iran too.
Consistent and only 2 more countries? You have missed a 'few': amnesty.org - Human rights by country
Let's change the whole world at the same time, let's set a completely impossible goal, that will definitly work out well ...... !
Let's change the whole world at the same time, let's set a completely impossible goal, that will definitly work out well ...... !
Those two were just examples. Okay, I can understand you can't boycott them all. But then Israel should not be on top of your priority list.
No, israel should not be on top of anyones priority list because 60 years of occupation and war is not that .... eeuhhh ....
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A dog shits.
That's also a fact, but just as relevant .... ?
Anyway, that post was my cue to stop this very short conversation with you because the level just dropped almost as low as it can get.
That's also a fact, but just as relevant .... ?
Anyway, that post was my cue to stop this very short conversation with you because the level just dropped almost as low as it can get.
Well, you started with saying things that don't matter. That's why I thought my statement about the dog was appropriate.
Edit: Just to be clear: if you didn't get my point, here it is: there are at least 10-20 countries that violate human rights more than Israel. At least. So no, Israel should not be on top of your boycott priority list. But I know why it is that high on your list.
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Edit: Just to be clear: if you didn't get my point, here it is: there are at least 10-20 countries that violate human rights more than Israel. At least. So no, Israel should not be on top of your boycott priority list. But I know why it is that high on your list.
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Ah, the childish 'I do it back' thing. Funny, there was no reason to start acting childish, other then your own interpretation maybe.
And no, you are in no position to tell me what is important for me or not, mister 'freedom'!! And you think you know, but I'm pretty sure you don't because you have just as much compassion in you as a wooden door.
And no, you are in no position to tell me what is important for me or not, mister 'freedom'!! And you think you know, but I'm pretty sure you don't because you have just as much compassion in you as a wooden door.
How can there ever be peace in the Israeli region ? I don't think that will even happen. 2 countries next to eachtoher. One acts as a over agressiv macho male(Israel) and the other acts like a person full with hate and nothing less.
Blaming 1 party more then the other is so foolish. Israel and Palestine are both wrong. People who are trying to convince you dat one is better(or way less) then the other are just making propaganda...don't listen to those biased opnions.
Blaming 1 party more then the other is so foolish. Israel and Palestine are both wrong. People who are trying to convince you dat one is better(or way less) then the other are just making propaganda...don't listen to those biased opnions.
I'm not going to spent to much words on such bullshit.
but all those are freedoms too..
No. There is no freedom to repress oppositors for example. There is power to do that, but that's not freedom.
quod erat demostrandum!
Everybody decide to call freedom only what he prefer to!
but all those are freedoms too..
No. There is no freedom to repress oppositors for example. There is power to do that, but that's not freedom.
quod erat demostrandum!
Everybody decide to call freedom only what he prefer to!
So during the apartheid in South-Africa you would also have blamed those blacks who fought back, or some resistance fighting the invaders who took your land and control your life and freedom (and food, water, travel, economy, etc etc)?
And the world has to start somewhere, punish israel (the occupier and the one in power) is a good start. Or isn't it clear who is doing what? B'Tselem - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories
EDIT: and I'm surprised you post that kind of text. You demand justice when some cop in the Netherlands beat an 'innocent' person, but when we talk about real injustice you post the text you just posted ...
And also, to use your logic: how can there ever be peace on the balkan after so long? The world should have watched and do nothing while they were fighting and one group was killing most of the others (including genocide) ... No, ofcourse the world didn't just watch, the world did do something to stop it.
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And the world has to start somewhere, punish israel (the occupier and the one in power) is a good start. Or isn't it clear who is doing what? B'Tselem - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories
EDIT: and I'm surprised you post that kind of text. You demand justice when some cop in the Netherlands beat an 'innocent' person, but when we talk about real injustice you post the text you just posted ...
And also, to use your logic: how can there ever be peace on the balkan after so long? The world should have watched and do nothing while they were fighting and one group was killing most of the others (including genocide) ... No, ofcourse the world didn't just watch, the world did do something to stop it.
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Everybody decide to call freedom only what he prefer to!
Well, everybody defines it differently, yes. I've given you my stance, and it is consistent. My freedom stops where yours starts. If that were not the case, I would have 'the freedom to kill' all the black people for instance.
Look, I am really a big opponent of drugs (well, apart from alcohol that is :p). I've never smoked in my life, never touched any drug. But for me, it is important that people can take drugs if they want to.
Well, everybody defines it differently, yes. I've given you my stance, and it is consistent. My freedom stops where yours starts. If that were not the case, I would have 'the freedom to kill' all the black people for instance.
Look, I am really a big opponent of drugs (well, apart from alcohol that is :p). I've never smoked in my life, never touched any drug. But for me, it is important that people can take drugs if they want to.
So during the apartheid in South-Africa you would also have blamed those blacks who fought back, or some resistance fighting the invaders who took your land and control your life and freedom (and food, water, travel, economy, etc etc)?
I criticize the ANC for its history of using violence (bombings with great civilian losses), yes. But probably Mandela is a god for you.
No, ofcourse the world didn't just watch, the world did do something to stop it.
What would you do with the Israeli/Palestine conflict? Bear in mind that the UN can't do a thing because the US is a permanent member of the security council (you can call that wrong - I'd agree - but it is a reality to take into account).
I criticize the ANC for its history of using violence (bombings with great civilian losses), yes. But probably Mandela is a god for you.
No, ofcourse the world didn't just watch, the world did do something to stop it.
What would you do with the Israeli/Palestine conflict? Bear in mind that the UN can't do a thing because the US is a permanent member of the security council (you can call that wrong - I'd agree - but it is a reality to take into account).
Well, everybody defines it differently, yes
because it's the wrong word. How could we make a discussion using a word that means different things for us?
You are not for drug freedom you want state to make rules that permit people to use drugs.
you are not for the freedom of speech you want state to make rules that permit people to express theirself.
you are not against freedom to enslave people, you want state to make rules that forbid and punish it.
You'll say that's a very little difference, only word twisting.
NO!
Avoiding the use of that word helps us to understand the real consistence of what we want and say.
And that's always a question of sets of rules.
But more important we stop calling "freedom" our preferences, and stop misunderstanding the role of the rules to create the wolrd we'll like to live in.
Look, he ask for INDIPENDENCE, not for freedom...
because it's the wrong word. How could we make a discussion using a word that means different things for us?
You are not for drug freedom you want state to make rules that permit people to use drugs.
you are not for the freedom of speech you want state to make rules that permit people to express theirself.
you are not against freedom to enslave people, you want state to make rules that forbid and punish it.
You'll say that's a very little difference, only word twisting.
NO!
Avoiding the use of that word helps us to understand the real consistence of what we want and say.
And that's always a question of sets of rules.
But more important we stop calling "freedom" our preferences, and stop misunderstanding the role of the rules to create the wolrd we'll like to live in.
Look, he ask for INDIPENDENCE, not for freedom...
You'll say that's a very little difference, only word twisting.
No. I'm saying you're lying by saying I'm not for drug freedom and free speech. And once again, there is no freedom to enslave people. Only power to enslave people.
No. I'm saying you're lying by saying I'm not for drug freedom and free speech. And once again, there is no freedom to enslave people. Only power to enslave people.