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Subject: »NEWS AROUND THE WORLD

2014-03-09 21:46:35
Tell me name of the state and action you consider as a evil.

(please dont you, muslims are making terrorist actions :-D, tell me exactly, state and action as I told you in Palestinian case, all in on youtube :-) and dont use formulas like "they would probably do this and this", just current evil action)


Just like all the sources you give when accusing mostly "the west" hahaha
2014-03-09 22:14:40
A lot of people here used to use funny comments when dont have solid arguments :-)
thx, that you dont find any suitable answer in google! :-d
2014-03-09 22:18:28
Okay then. I - obviously - disagree with that column, let that be clear.

But back to the second remark (apart from the lacking source that is now solved), how does that change the validity of the arguments he gives at his Alma Mater? Play the ball, not the man.
What are they doing bad :-)?

Ask women. Ask homosexuals. Ask jews. Ask christians. Ask atheists. Ask members of the opposition. Ask...

The list of fundamental human rights (free speech, free movement, private property rights, the right not to be discriminated by the government) violations in countries like Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, ... is that long you can pick the examples.
You claim the opposition in Ukraine was financed by the United States and Western Europe. Please give in detail a list of all funds from those countries that went to the Ukrainian opposition while Yanukovych was still in Kiev.
Woman ?
You can not say that their culture is bad. In their culture it is different, that is all.
I dont like it, but I respect it. In europe, none muslim can use their national "ill" habits or laws !
If he tried it he will be punished! But does iraq or iran have in their territory so huge racist problems as jews have in their country with Palestinians ?? Or are they occupying foreign territory ? (UNO borders of israel...) Of course yes, for example Iraq and Kurdish... this can be reason for boycotting products.
But just woman.... this is not reason for boycotting their products, you can not deny its history and culture.

homosexuals...same.

Jews.. jews are occupying saint territory in muslims point of view. It is reason for war so hate against them is war hate. You can not say that they have "no reason". I dont like religious reason too, but I understand it!

Human rights, free speech ?? Muslims are now in the times where europe was in 15-17th century. Again..it is their development, history and so...it is not reason for boycotting products, isnt it ?
Yes, they should grow up fast and learn to modern west manners, but in 17th century EU was same :-(

Reason for boycotting products should be if there is really big problems with human rights, I mean tyranny or so, not special human rights based on their religion or history.
Of if they attack free peaceful country just because their army is stronger.
Or maybe if they are damaging out planet too much....


As I told, what are they doing bad, except their history and culture differences. They are not occupying foreign territory, in iran there are not two roads according to various religious and so....

The biggest problem of iran, iraq is that they have "stupid" religion which can grow up / developed too as Christianity did, but we are not willing to wait for that :-).
And that there are enemies in "their" saint land. And that their main war enemy USA is our friend :-). That is all.


2014-03-09 23:12:56
A lot of people here used to use funny comments when dont have solid arguments :-)
thx, that you dont find any suitable answer in google! :-d


Lol, I'm not the one with all these kind of BS assumptions my friend:) You make all kind of nonsense without any source what so ever other then your fantasy mind.

If you come up with so much nonsense please back it up with a realible source. Else you will look like a fool.



2014-03-09 23:13:50
You claim the opposition in Ukraine was financed by the United States and Western Europe. Please give in detail a list of all funds from those countries that went to the Ukrainian opposition while Yanukovych was still in Kiev.

Like +1 !

Hahahhaa
You can not say that their culture is bad. In their culture it is different, that is all.
I dont like it, but I respect it.


Such moral relativism is dangerous. "Stalinism is not bad. It is different. I don't like it, but I respect it."

The discrimination of women is bad. Not just different, bad. Doesn't matter that it is 'their culture'. I have no problems with Muslims moving here. I have no problem with them continuing to practice their religion. I have no problem with them thinking that woman are inferior (well, I disagree of course, but it's their right to think that way). But I will say very clearly why I think such a 'culture' (we should actually call it 'the lack of development/civilization') is retarded and offensive. Regardless whether they are christians, muslims or atheists.

But just woman.... this is not reason for boycotting their products, you can not deny its history and culture.

Not just women rights. It's a combination of a lot of violations of human rights. (I'm not even proposing a boycott. I'm just explaining why a boycott against only Israel and not against Saudi Arabia or Iran is wrong.)

Jews.. jews are occupying saint territory in muslims point of view. It is reason for war so hate against them is war hate. You can not say that they have "no reason". I dont like religious reason too, but I understand it!

I can understand it too. That's not the point. That doesn't make it any less bad though.

Human rights, free speech ?? Muslims are now in the times where europe was in 15-17th century. Again..it is their development, history and so...it is not reason for boycotting products, isnt it ?
Yes, they should grow up fast and learn to modern west manners, but in 17th century EU was same :-(


Yes, Europe used to be retarded too (and continues to be a little retarded). Actually, for a very long time in the history of the monotheistic religions, Islam was the more tolerant one. Islamic extremism (Islamism) is a relatively modern ideology, just like tolerant/moderate christianity.

But how does this change the retardedness of the Islamic 'culture' nowadays? Not.
First of all, I am not war spion or leader of government, so I can be wrong. I know it! But.. if we can see money Armour truck going from airport to US embassy in Kiev (youtube camera) it can be weird and if US embassy didnt give solid answer, we can make solid speculation :-)

Secondly...that is all about oil and war positions. So if there are a lot of speculation in other countries where conflict grow up and there are such a strategic resources we can doubt and we can think that USA is involved as usual (this is not first time when same scenario was started). And if all the world know that USA is lying (for exp. nucl. weapons in iraq...) we dont have reason to believe them. Also UK admit that USA reasons for starting iraq war were fail.

And last things... we can see history. A lot of conflict was financed and organized by USA, we all have discovery channel and so :-). This past conflict, old maybe 50 years, there are many proves now that USA is/was trying to control all the world. If this was common before 50 years, do we have reason for thinking that USA changed completely its foreign policy ?


1. Fact number
Protesters on Maidan were paid for money. (16 or 30 usd per day).
Who can have resources and motivation paid them ? Ukraine government or poor opposition ?? (west EU maybe, or US, that is same - EU for oil, US for russia reason)

2. Fact two, not government but own people were shooting to home inhabitants (hired for money I suppose), just to start local rebelion which can have the only one result which is get Ukraine away from russia influence. (so who can have such a goal :-) ? )

3. Saudi used chem. weapons, probably stolen from army stocks, to get USA into war. (there is important gas/ oil pipeline leading to EU) This was individual Saudi action, so I was wrong at this case.... as I said I can get some solid information later, when the true is on the world :-) so at the time , online... I can be wrong sometimes :-)
2014-03-09 23:17:30
so you want link to BBC article ?? as a solid resource ? ok... wait !
2014-03-09 23:17:52
sorry, I didnt find any on BBC :-(

so it is not true...sorry, I was wrong :-D
Stalinism was not a culture. Communism was but Stalinism was just dictatorship.

Burning people by church was ok ? Not... but in that times it was ok. Bad dard times :-(. But muslims are not burning the woman, they are more civilized. Teach them that it is bad, but we can not start a war because of this.

Islamic extremism (Islamism) is a relatively modern ideology, just like tolerant/moderate christianity.
No, this is just reason of attacks and wars.... if Muslims had a place for peacefull development, there is maybe no islamic extremism..who knows... :-( maybe...
Stalinism was not a culture.

What is a culture? What is your definition under which Islamism is a culture and Stalinism isn't?

But muslims are not burning the woman, they are more civilized.

Because stoning them to death is much more civilized.

but we can not start a war because of this.

Jesus, I'm not proposing that. Try to make a difference between my opinions and my attempt to show you your cultural relativism is dangerous and my attempt to show you that a boycott of ONLY Israel is wrong.

No, this is just reason of attacks and wars.... if Muslims had a place for peacefull development, there is maybe no islamic extremism..who knows... :-( maybe...

Why do you start your sentence with 'no'? That's not contrary to what I said. I have very clearly stated in the past that Western interference is triggering hate towards the Western world and probably is (partly) a source of Islamism.
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2014-03-09 23:27:35
Look, I dont like both sides too much cos I hate violence, but I know that it is not just "culture problem" it is reason of several wars. Western wars, starting by Crusader wars. Muslims made a really nice things, for example development and cultury assets in south Spain in the past centuries. If that culture was so nice in that times, why we are saying that muslim culture is just evil culture. It is just result of aggressions and wars from external world (west world). And there are just two big war players, USA and Israel. Third was EU in past centuries.
Stalinism was tyranny based on communism.
Islamism is a system based on muslims laws, islam.

Why do you start your sentence with 'no'? That's not contrary to what I said.
you are true. I started it cos I suppose my opinon is no...but later I changed it to ...maybe :-)