Subject: »NEWS AROUND THE WORLD

I think there is one cardinal difference in the absurd Kosovo / Krim comparison.

In the former Yugoslavia the fall of communism didn't resolve anything, the conflicts there (often religious based) were ongoing from then on, and there was a constant bloodshed in the 90's ... NATO and the US (as the international comunity, steped in to resolve the problem) some agreed some didn't as always. You can argue both sides, but this was a internal conflict resolved from the outside by the international community, right or wrong.

In Crimea/Krim it is completely different, the internal Ukrainian conflict in Maidan didn't create this situation that we are discussing, Russian Military on foreign soil 2 weeks later created that, Russian "unknown separatists" I know ;-) that were only serving "their own" puropse of one country, in normal terms a internationally illegal annexation of a part of a sovereign ukrainian nation to russia (completed by next week), there is no 50-50... who is right who is wrong situation, its only the will and the military invation of one country: Russia with Putin. The international community, apart from some Russia Tuday propaganda is strangely united in this one, even China and Belarus!!! Belarus! quitely mentioned that russia should respect Ukrainian boarders... :-]

And other interesting fact is that Sergej Aksjonov was put in power of krim on 26 or 27 feburary by force, in the last crimean autonomous elections he go 4% of all the votes, Ukrainian and "pro-Russian". :-] Its good to fit in Putin's plans, isn't it.

Suggested results for tommorow, and for the 21st march: the ballot do you want to go back to regulations from 1992 or do you want to join russia! undecided 0% :-D how do you like that ;-) what are the chances? anyone surprised? but this "of course not" rigged referendum under military occupation. LoL, I don't know whats more appropriete laughing or crying... :-]

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the fact is that he is telling the truth...
they didnt had a licence from UN to make that attack and to seperate a part of Serbia

I'm not familiar with the things that happened back then, he may be right.

But, should the warm up of these old stories help us to judge the situation in Crimea? No. Things that went wrong in history shouldn't be used to justify to do things wrong again in the present. The Crimean case has to be judged on his own. So, Russia should leave them alone and give time for a proper, non-emotional referendum withouth pressure etc. It's probably an utopia but they should at least try.

exactly..

and now the Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov (ex soviet minister) is giving us another moral quiery to disscus... first kosovo, now falklands! apparently Krim to russia is more important to russia that the falklands are to great britain, ... spot the difference :-], while russian military transports cross the ukrainian boarder. I wonder why he still didn't explain what the russian troops are doing in another country, in such numbers that break all the treaties on which even he, probably worked on. :-]
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at least this time it adds up to 100%...:-)

But, should the warm up of these old stories help us to judge the situation in Crimea? No. Things that went wrong in history shouldn't be used to justify to do things wrong again in the present. The Crimean case has to be judged on his own. So, Russia should leave them alone and give time for a proper, non-emotional referendum withouth pressure etc. It's probably an utopia but they should at least try.

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Edit : ohh and btw Rumpil could you please post links/source/websites if you come up with numbers ? I can make up some numbers in my mind to :p
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I agree. But is a free referendum possible without Russian troops in Crimea? Will the Kiev government allow that? I can understand that Russians in Crimea prefer Russian troops over Ukrainian troops.

(I'm not saying or suggesting that those Russians troops are (according to international law) justified.)

Yes, as I said, an entirely free referendum might be impossible. Imho it would need the assistance of OSCE supervisors or even some blue helmets from the UN to replace any Ukrainian or Russian troops. But at the moment I don't see Ukraine and Russia agreeing on such a point, not only because there's too much distrust in each other to acknowledge the neutrality of such a mission. Putin wants the referendum as quickly as possible, before he loses the momentum. Ukraine probably doesn't want a referendum at all (haven't checked their latest statements on this).

use google and find it yourselfs :-)

I had totally agree with Putin.... ok, I am brainwashed :-d but I agree not just with him as a person, but I agree to content !!

use google and find it yourselfs :-)

Bullshit, if you put numbers here you should post the data. I don't have too look up your numbers. As long as you can't come up with a source your just making propaganda.

the source was not in english....so I didt save it..cos you would have nothing from that source... but I am sure that that numbers had to be same everywhere where media are not under political control :-)

So you are saying that the numbers you are posting ARE NOT under politcal control and websites that would show lower numbers ARE under political control ??

So tell me how do you know which website is lying ? You seem to know it all...

usually that yours are manipulated :-DD

It's a bit less, around 500 officially admitted by western sources. Serbian government published 2500 estimate but nobody counted the exact numbers.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2000/02/07/new-figures-civilian-deaths-kosovo-war

The number depends on who is counted (include in the final number).... and of course who count it :-)

We all know that only the data and numbers Rumpil says are correct. Everything else is propaganda only Rumpill is right we are al wrong.