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... dude, I am only saying how it works, its not my opinion, so I cannot by right or wrong, that's irrelevant. Still don't see your point, at all.
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You are opposing this statement, not by me: (if I am not mistaken.)
Mariano Rajoy, Spanish Prime Minister, immediately said that the referendum would be considered illegal and that "any discussion or debate on this is out of the question"
As for Crimea I think we also all agree, since the russian troops invaded, this fixed "referendum" that followed is irrelevant. Despite that in all probability, Crimea should be at least independent (from both Ukrainie and Russia) in the current situation. But since Russia used force, Ukraine has all the moral high-ground to defend itself, the only reason this this situation is more complex, is that russia is only waiting for that to happen, as Ukraine stands no chance defending itself alone against much stronger bully. And the west - being rational doesn't want wwIII.
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Mariano Rajoy, Spanish Prime Minister, immediately said that the referendum would be considered illegal and that "any discussion or debate on this is out of the question"
As for Crimea I think we also all agree, since the russian troops invaded, this fixed "referendum" that followed is irrelevant. Despite that in all probability, Crimea should be at least independent (from both Ukrainie and Russia) in the current situation. But since Russia used force, Ukraine has all the moral high-ground to defend itself, the only reason this this situation is more complex, is that russia is only waiting for that to happen, as Ukraine stands no chance defending itself alone against much stronger bully. And the west - being rational doesn't want wwIII.
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As for Crimea I think we also all agree, since the russian troops invaded this fixed "referendum" is irrelevant.
So the elections they held in Iraq since the American invasion there were irrelevant too? Yet, the Western world seemed to accept those results.
So the elections they held in Iraq since the American invasion there were irrelevant too? Yet, the Western world seemed to accept those results.
Iraq now... ehh... another completely differnent case,
with one main difference, UN had supervision in Iraq.
In iraq there are no american politicians!, in crimea there are now, only russian politicians.
in Crimea the referendum was at gun point by "unknown"russian forces. And only 1 country from the international comunitty accepted the results, oh! surprise the country which gets the whole cake to themselves. :-D, 191 UN nations v 1 (greedy) russia, that is not a 50-50 , 60-40 70-30.. debate case, is a clear cut, stealing a slice of sovereign Ukraine, literally.
PS: just so you are clear, I actually belive personally that Ukrainie would be better off without Crimea, but unfortunately russian military, and Putin's blatend poor decepion is actually blocking, the scenario which might have been the right solution for all. :-]
Its a Mafia type "choice" with no choice from Russia, either we chop off yout foot (Crimea), or we kill you all.
And there is also a main issue, which evereyone seems to forget, its not Russia vs US (and what they can or cannot do), it is not Russia vs EU, its Russia invading a already internally weakend Ukraine, and the world at lagre (EU, US, UN) is not the other side in this conflict, it is more of a third party which is witnessing a grave injustice.
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with one main difference, UN had supervision in Iraq.
In iraq there are no american politicians!, in crimea there are now, only russian politicians.
in Crimea the referendum was at gun point by "unknown"russian forces. And only 1 country from the international comunitty accepted the results, oh! surprise the country which gets the whole cake to themselves. :-D, 191 UN nations v 1 (greedy) russia, that is not a 50-50 , 60-40 70-30.. debate case, is a clear cut, stealing a slice of sovereign Ukraine, literally.
PS: just so you are clear, I actually belive personally that Ukrainie would be better off without Crimea, but unfortunately russian military, and Putin's blatend poor decepion is actually blocking, the scenario which might have been the right solution for all. :-]
Its a Mafia type "choice" with no choice from Russia, either we chop off yout foot (Crimea), or we kill you all.
And there is also a main issue, which evereyone seems to forget, its not Russia vs US (and what they can or cannot do), it is not Russia vs EU, its Russia invading a already internally weakend Ukraine, and the world at lagre (EU, US, UN) is not the other side in this conflict, it is more of a third party which is witnessing a grave injustice.
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yeah yeah... bad russians again. Over and over bad russians....
Anyway, did someone ever asked us if we want to include Poland in EU??? I never wanted polish to join us, becouse I belive polish always want to invade some sovereign countries around and always to act like a bully...
Anyway, did someone ever asked us if we want to include Poland in EU??? I never wanted polish to join us, becouse I belive polish always want to invade some sovereign countries around and always to act like a bully...
You really need a doctor, or at least history lessons.. ;-)
And a interesting fact:
Poland has been invaded or has fought for its freedom 43 times from 1600 to 1945.
(I would say up to 1989, to be exact)
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And a interesting fact:
Poland has been invaded or has fought for its freedom 43 times from 1600 to 1945.
(I would say up to 1989, to be exact)
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history lessons should be enough, or else even a doctor is powerless ;)
watch new pope and you will see the real christ
I see a human ... but maybe you are different and see special things other don't see .............
I see a human ... but maybe you are different and see special things other don't see .............
Ok, I see you don't get the sarcasm...
Precisly, I don't want Poland in EU becouse I think we paid enough and what we got in return is relocations, unemployment, and someone who always push to have more NATO missiles.
Polish is a strange language, but I think I got the point with this: something like how much we spent for Poland
Did someone ever asked me with a referendum if I agree?
No, Nay, Nope, Nien, Niet..... (apparently democracy is not very popular in Europe...)
And now we should welcome a new country in EU, Ukraine. How much should we spend for them?
I really hope we'll quit this new soviet-european union, and I'll bevery glad if Le Pen and Farage will lead their own countries out as well.
And then..... welcome to f***ing Europe!!! ;)
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Precisly, I don't want Poland in EU becouse I think we paid enough and what we got in return is relocations, unemployment, and someone who always push to have more NATO missiles.
Polish is a strange language, but I think I got the point with this: something like how much we spent for Poland
Did someone ever asked me with a referendum if I agree?
No, Nay, Nope, Nien, Niet..... (apparently democracy is not very popular in Europe...)
And now we should welcome a new country in EU, Ukraine. How much should we spend for them?
I really hope we'll quit this new soviet-european union, and I'll bevery glad if Le Pen and Farage will lead their own countries out as well.
And then..... welcome to f***ing Europe!!! ;)
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yes and because of that you cant even get your country to proper way of functioning, one of the biggest debt, lot of scandals, well, one big Berlusconi in there ;)
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well the politicans usually don't ask their citizens what they think about certain issue/idea, so I don't know why would you expect a referendum for this
btw. we didn't COME to EU, we were ACCEPTED by EU. Blame who you want for it, but don't blame Poland for it - we didn't make the decision.
btw. we didn't COME to EU, we were ACCEPTED by EU. Blame who you want for it, but don't blame Poland for it - we didn't make the decision.
Ok Berlusconi is an asshole, but we (not me) votet for him. Then the troika come in Italy and issued an edict: "It's not time for elections, it's time for actions! You, useless italians, stop to trade with Putin, Gheddafi and Nazarbayev, behold the mighty Mario Monti, and embrace the Bruxelles economy! Thus your economy will prosper, for the glory of Merkel, and Berlin!!!" (I think Van Rompuy used exactly these words...)
With "Monty" in charge, Draghi said 3 words "whatever it takes" (to save the €), the spread between italian and german bond cooled, and everithing seemed to been fine. But meanwhile our unemployment raised, our debt raised (both public and private), our wages drop, our taxes increased, our pensions drop, our minimal age to get retired increased, and so on... And nothing changed with Letta and Renzi.
Dicks changed, but asses remained the same! :(
Well, the funny thing in all this story, is not the bully behaviour of the troika, but that here in Italy we still have a lot of people who's going to vote again for some stupid parties who want to keep us people bent 90° again...
We'll se in may the european elections...
PS for Borkos007: sorry if I've been rude. I really didn't ment to say I hate polish or something like that. Just to be clear: what I do hope, is that every country in Europe, from Portugal to Russia, From Norway to Malta, from Iceland to Cyprus, could leave in peace and trade in friendship relations, without the stupid EU bounds (including €). But most of all I do hope that the governament will be lead by the will of the people, not bankers or big corporations.
With "Monty" in charge, Draghi said 3 words "whatever it takes" (to save the €), the spread between italian and german bond cooled, and everithing seemed to been fine. But meanwhile our unemployment raised, our debt raised (both public and private), our wages drop, our taxes increased, our pensions drop, our minimal age to get retired increased, and so on... And nothing changed with Letta and Renzi.
Dicks changed, but asses remained the same! :(
Well, the funny thing in all this story, is not the bully behaviour of the troika, but that here in Italy we still have a lot of people who's going to vote again for some stupid parties who want to keep us people bent 90° again...
We'll se in may the european elections...
PS for Borkos007: sorry if I've been rude. I really didn't ment to say I hate polish or something like that. Just to be clear: what I do hope, is that every country in Europe, from Portugal to Russia, From Norway to Malta, from Iceland to Cyprus, could leave in peace and trade in friendship relations, without the stupid EU bounds (including €). But most of all I do hope that the governament will be lead by the will of the people, not bankers or big corporations.