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Ok Berlusconi is an asshole, but we (not me) votet for him. Then the troika come in Italy and issued an edict: "It's not time for elections, it's time for actions! You, useless italians, stop to trade with Putin, Gheddafi and Nazarbayev, behold the mighty Mario Monti, and embrace the Bruxelles economy! Thus your economy will prosper, for the glory of Merkel, and Berlin!!!" (I think Van Rompuy used exactly these words...)
With "Monty" in charge, Draghi said 3 words "whatever it takes" (to save the €), the spread between italian and german bond cooled, and everithing seemed to been fine. But meanwhile our unemployment raised, our debt raised (both public and private), our wages drop, our taxes increased, our pensions drop, our minimal age to get retired increased, and so on... And nothing changed with Letta and Renzi.
Dicks changed, but asses remained the same! :(
Well, the funny thing in all this story, is not the bully behaviour of the troika, but that here in Italy we still have a lot of people who's going to vote again for some stupid parties who want to keep us people bent 90° again...
We'll se in may the european elections...
PS for Borkos007: sorry if I've been rude. I really didn't ment to say I hate polish or something like that. Just to be clear: what I do hope, is that every country in Europe, from Portugal to Russia, From Norway to Malta, from Iceland to Cyprus, could leave in peace and trade in friendship relations, without the stupid EU bounds (including €). But most of all I do hope that the governament will be lead by the will of the people, not bankers or big corporations.
With "Monty" in charge, Draghi said 3 words "whatever it takes" (to save the €), the spread between italian and german bond cooled, and everithing seemed to been fine. But meanwhile our unemployment raised, our debt raised (both public and private), our wages drop, our taxes increased, our pensions drop, our minimal age to get retired increased, and so on... And nothing changed with Letta and Renzi.
Dicks changed, but asses remained the same! :(
Well, the funny thing in all this story, is not the bully behaviour of the troika, but that here in Italy we still have a lot of people who's going to vote again for some stupid parties who want to keep us people bent 90° again...
We'll se in may the european elections...
PS for Borkos007: sorry if I've been rude. I really didn't ment to say I hate polish or something like that. Just to be clear: what I do hope, is that every country in Europe, from Portugal to Russia, From Norway to Malta, from Iceland to Cyprus, could leave in peace and trade in friendship relations, without the stupid EU bounds (including €). But most of all I do hope that the governament will be lead by the will of the people, not bankers or big corporations.
Ok Berlusconi is an asshole, but we (not me) votet for him. Then the troika come in Italy and issued an edict: "It's not time for elections, it's time for actions! You, useless italians, stop to trade with Putin, Gheddafi and Nazarbayev, behold the mighty Mario Monti, and embrace the Bruxelles economy! Thus your economy will prosper, for the glory of Merkel, and Berlin!!!" (I think Van Rompuy used exactly these words...)
With "Monty" in charge, Draghi said 3 words "whatever it takes" (to save the €), the spread between italian and german bond cooled, and everithing seemed to been fine. But meanwhile our unemployment raised, our debt raised (both public and private), our wages drop, our taxes increased, our pensions drop, our minimal age to get retired increased, and so on... And nothing changed with Letta and Renzi.
Dicks changed, but asses remained the same! :(
Well, the funny thing in all this story, is not the bully behaviour of the troika, but that here in Italy we still have a lot of people who's going to vote again for some stupid parties who want to keep us people bent 90° again...
We'll se in may the european elections...
all of these somethinks reminds me but with difrend some names...
With "Monty" in charge, Draghi said 3 words "whatever it takes" (to save the €), the spread between italian and german bond cooled, and everithing seemed to been fine. But meanwhile our unemployment raised, our debt raised (both public and private), our wages drop, our taxes increased, our pensions drop, our minimal age to get retired increased, and so on... And nothing changed with Letta and Renzi.
Dicks changed, but asses remained the same! :(
Well, the funny thing in all this story, is not the bully behaviour of the troika, but that here in Italy we still have a lot of people who's going to vote again for some stupid parties who want to keep us people bent 90° again...
We'll se in may the european elections...
all of these somethinks reminds me but with difrend some names...
I agree that EU is touching on centralized socialism slightly too much, no doubt about that... but so far its still doing fine, compare to a lot of places around the world,
...but I think there is a simple anwser to all your queries: Did anyone ask you? yes... I think its quite clear that you did have a representative then, and you will have the chance to pick a new one soon: European_Parliament_election,_2014_(Italy)
"referendum" is a completely different concept from governing, a centralized body.
As for Ukrainie and EU, I definitely think that rushing Ukrainie inclusion is a poor reaction, to the russian invasion (which is still happening, as we speak/type, and evil ;-p russian military officials, dare to speak about Ukrainian soldiers, as if they were foreign troops on "russian" soil!!! :-] that is 1oo% evil hypocrisy) but my main point its that the EU-Ukraine agreement, i far far, probably years... before Ukraine will be ready to join EU, and russia unfortunately will do everything to make in more difficult for the average Ukrainian, most likely starting with gas prices going up...
yes, bad russia, or putin's government, again... or rather .... still.. and for some time in the future, unfortunately.
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...but I think there is a simple anwser to all your queries: Did anyone ask you? yes... I think its quite clear that you did have a representative then, and you will have the chance to pick a new one soon: European_Parliament_election,_2014_(Italy)
"referendum" is a completely different concept from governing, a centralized body.
As for Ukrainie and EU, I definitely think that rushing Ukrainie inclusion is a poor reaction, to the russian invasion (which is still happening, as we speak/type, and evil ;-p russian military officials, dare to speak about Ukrainian soldiers, as if they were foreign troops on "russian" soil!!! :-] that is 1oo% evil hypocrisy) but my main point its that the EU-Ukraine agreement, i far far, probably years... before Ukraine will be ready to join EU, and russia unfortunately will do everything to make in more difficult for the average Ukrainian, most likely starting with gas prices going up...
yes, bad russia, or putin's government, again... or rather .... still.. and for some time in the future, unfortunately.
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I know why you're repeating in every post that there's a russian invasion... but trust me that even if you say it 1000 times, a lie won't become the thruth.
I'm quoting the Washington Post now, not some RT or komsomolskaya pravda...
Who is the bully? The U.S. has treated Russia like a loser since the end of the Cold War.
But anyway, how could we argue again, when we have the prove that some nazi-fascist killed dozen of people in maidan in order to end a democratic elected governament (this is called "coup d'etat"), when on the other side there have been a referendum with no casualities?
(apperentrly, the ukrainian military and the crimean para-military in Sevastopol was killed by a 17yo guy from west Ukraine. But even if it's not, it's 1 killed vs 100. More died in Donetsk).
I'm quoting the Washington Post now, not some RT or komsomolskaya pravda...
Who is the bully? The U.S. has treated Russia like a loser since the end of the Cold War.
But anyway, how could we argue again, when we have the prove that some nazi-fascist killed dozen of people in maidan in order to end a democratic elected governament (this is called "coup d'etat"), when on the other side there have been a referendum with no casualities?
(apperentrly, the ukrainian military and the crimean para-military in Sevastopol was killed by a 17yo guy from west Ukraine. But even if it's not, it's 1 killed vs 100. More died in Donetsk).
What?? No Russian invasion?? It wasn't Ukraine ground they entered? For people like you propaganda isn't needed, you make your own reality :/
And an invasion + illegal referendum is ok when no one dies, but the overthrow of a corrupt murdering russian puppet president with too many innocent death because of this madman is wrong?
I thought you posted text as living in peace and bully behaviour, but your mind is making a mess of this all!
So no, if you post your nonsense even a million more times, it will still be nonsense!!
And an invasion + illegal referendum is ok when no one dies, but the overthrow of a corrupt murdering russian puppet president with too many innocent death because of this madman is wrong?
I thought you posted text as living in peace and bully behaviour, but your mind is making a mess of this all!
So no, if you post your nonsense even a million more times, it will still be nonsense!!
I think this is a dead end talk, so may I suggest to don't go further with this?
In your opinion there was an invasion, in my opinion russian have been below the limit of 25k soldiers allowed to be in Crimea....
Amen to that.
What I say is thank God there have been no casualities!
Let's hope all the military invasion could be like this one! ;)
In your opinion there was an invasion, in my opinion russian have been below the limit of 25k soldiers allowed to be in Crimea....
Amen to that.
What I say is thank God there have been no casualities!
Let's hope all the military invasion could be like this one! ;)
and taking over the military outposts and bases isn't what you'd call an invasion? :)
So the number of soldiers makes it an invasion or not, not if another country invade a country and takes over part of it (land with nice resourses and an important port), next the propaganda followed by an illegal referedum? I thought the number of soldiers doesn't really matter, but the act itself does. And invasion is an invasion ... but he, your crazy world is twisted.
And did you even considered the consequences if Ukraine soldiers had killed Russian soldier? What did you say about bully? I think Russia made it very clear not to hurt the bullies or else more would be send in with a lot more dead Ukraine soldiers.
You are talking about agreements (like 25k soldiers)? What about this agreement: an agreement signed on Dec. 5, 1994, by the United States, Britain, Russia (!!!) and Ukraine, promising to recognize Ukraine’s borders in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons at the time.
Wake up and put your brain back on!!
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And did you even considered the consequences if Ukraine soldiers had killed Russian soldier? What did you say about bully? I think Russia made it very clear not to hurt the bullies or else more would be send in with a lot more dead Ukraine soldiers.
You are talking about agreements (like 25k soldiers)? What about this agreement: an agreement signed on Dec. 5, 1994, by the United States, Britain, Russia (!!!) and Ukraine, promising to recognize Ukraine’s borders in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons at the time.
Wake up and put your brain back on!!
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Yes, thank God for no casualties, but a referendum guarded by foreign troops is still far away from so-called democracy.
dont give anyone the stuff you are using, please ;)
You are talking about agreements (like 25k soldiers)? What about this agreement: an agreement signed on Dec. 5, 1994, by the United States, Britain, Russia (!!!) and Ukraine, promising to recognize Ukraine’s borders in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons at the time.
Russia doesn't want to invade Ukraine. That's it.
Just Crimea decided to make an accession to Russian Federation, with a referendum. A referendum with absolutely no gunpoint. And I'm saying this becouse even the most biased media didn't find it. This is an accession, not an annexion. There is no a single evidence for a ucrainian, tatar or anyone hurted in Crimea by russian forces.
There was some russian soldier in Crimea? Of course... Do you know how many american soldiers there are around the world? You can find yourself... United States military deployments. And I'm not even talking about NATO...
Anyway, there is another important agreement we never mentioned...
NATO's Eastward Expansion: Did the West Break Its Promise to Moscow?
And with this, I've done here, at least with you.
I'm sorry but I can't really talk with someone who's telling me "Wake up and put your brain back on!!".
Maybe you like the fascists-squad method like this, but I don't...
Goodbye
Russia doesn't want to invade Ukraine. That's it.
Just Crimea decided to make an accession to Russian Federation, with a referendum. A referendum with absolutely no gunpoint. And I'm saying this becouse even the most biased media didn't find it. This is an accession, not an annexion. There is no a single evidence for a ucrainian, tatar or anyone hurted in Crimea by russian forces.
There was some russian soldier in Crimea? Of course... Do you know how many american soldiers there are around the world? You can find yourself... United States military deployments. And I'm not even talking about NATO...
Anyway, there is another important agreement we never mentioned...
NATO's Eastward Expansion: Did the West Break Its Promise to Moscow?
And with this, I've done here, at least with you.
I'm sorry but I can't really talk with someone who's telling me "Wake up and put your brain back on!!".
Maybe you like the fascists-squad method like this, but I don't...
Goodbye
Just some final consideration about the bullies...
The new Cold War "shield"
http://www.voltairenet.org/article182862.html
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The new Cold War "shield"
http://www.voltairenet.org/article182862.html
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Are you really that naive?
A step closer to all-out war: One Ukrainian officer shot dead, one militia killed and dozens rounded up by masked gunmen
On the left russian soldiers, on the right ukrainian soldiers taken hostage in Ukraine.
now imagine that the soldiers on there right with their hands up would be not Ukrainian in Ukraine but Italian, in Italy.
And please stop mumbling abou the US or the EU, this is RUSSIAN ARMY IN UKRAINE, full stop. The World so far is a third party onlooker who doesn't know how to react, to the russian, and only russian military invasion.
I know these are ;-) "unknown" peace keeping soldiers, and crimea's repressed poor russians ;-) ;-)
Russia sinks ship to block Ukrainian navy entry to Black Sea, Date March 7, 2014
what do you call that?, maybe a holiday of unknown armed men :-D :-] :-( ehhh...
1st MARCH...
Invasion
4. infringement by intrusion
And don't even star me on this pathetic hoax, by some... ... "called referendum" 80% turnout? 96%, again so so naive, this king of result is almost impossible in any referendum, let alone in one that a neighbouring country is doing under the protection, and threat od masked gunmen i russian uniforms, who arrived in russian military equipement....
Victory to Stalin and the Soviet Union! hooray! :-] oh, sorry victory to russia! against the fascists... :-]
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A step closer to all-out war: One Ukrainian officer shot dead, one militia killed and dozens rounded up by masked gunmen
On the left russian soldiers, on the right ukrainian soldiers taken hostage in Ukraine.
now imagine that the soldiers on there right with their hands up would be not Ukrainian in Ukraine but Italian, in Italy.
And please stop mumbling abou the US or the EU, this is RUSSIAN ARMY IN UKRAINE, full stop. The World so far is a third party onlooker who doesn't know how to react, to the russian, and only russian military invasion.
I know these are ;-) "unknown" peace keeping soldiers, and crimea's repressed poor russians ;-) ;-)
Russia sinks ship to block Ukrainian navy entry to Black Sea, Date March 7, 2014
what do you call that?, maybe a holiday of unknown armed men :-D :-] :-( ehhh...
1st MARCH...
Invasion
4. infringement by intrusion
And don't even star me on this pathetic hoax, by some... ... "called referendum" 80% turnout? 96%, again so so naive, this king of result is almost impossible in any referendum, let alone in one that a neighbouring country is doing under the protection, and threat od masked gunmen i russian uniforms, who arrived in russian military equipement....
Victory to Stalin and the Soviet Union! hooray! :-] oh, sorry victory to russia! against the fascists... :-]
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Dude, as I said, of course there is russian army out there!
But compared to what happened in maidan, yes: in Crimea looks like an holliday!
Here in Italy we have province, Bolzano, near to the Austria. Most of people there speak german and consider themselves like austrian. Actually, the situation it's quite similar to Crimea: around 65% of people are ethnically "german", 25% italian, 5% ladin and the other 5% foreigners.
Well, if for instance an italian party/moviment obtain the power with a coup d'etate, and suddenly decide to adopt some radical measures such as the abolition of the german language, I'd really have no problem if some foreign army move to Bolzano to protect the citizens.
Look, my naive friend. There is this 2min video by a gentleman from the american repubblican party who's explaning very well what's my point of view in all of this story:
But compared to what happened in maidan, yes: in Crimea looks like an holliday!
Here in Italy we have province, Bolzano, near to the Austria. Most of people there speak german and consider themselves like austrian. Actually, the situation it's quite similar to Crimea: around 65% of people are ethnically "german", 25% italian, 5% ladin and the other 5% foreigners.
Well, if for instance an italian party/moviment obtain the power with a coup d'etate, and suddenly decide to adopt some radical measures such as the abolition of the german language, I'd really have no problem if some foreign army move to Bolzano to protect the citizens.
Look, my naive friend. There is this 2min video by a gentleman from the american repubblican party who's explaning very well what's my point of view in all of this story:
it was a referendum in Venice yesterday i hear...
In the region of Veneto there just have been a so-called referendum for the indipendence. The governor of Veneto is Luca Zaia, who belongs to the party Lega. The full name of the party is "Lega Nord per l'Indipendenza della Padania". ("Padania", in Lega's opinion, is the northen Italy, approximately from Florence to all the north-Italy.)
Well, Zaia himself said that he voted yes for the indipendence, but also said that this is just an online-poll. In fact, a part of the votes will be deducted becouse they're false: someone voted more times and someone voted with a false ID.
Anyway, if there'll be a true referendum for the indipendence, I certainly won't blame nobody.
I leave in Brescia, which is very close to Veneto and was dominated by the "Repubblica Serenissima" for long time. I think in Italy we'd live in better condictions if we divide the country. We had the "Rinascimento" (Renaissance) when Italy was divided in several indipendent countries. We have very different economies, and also the languages (which after the 1860 are just dialects) are very different from Veneto, to Lombardia, to Campania, to Sicily.
As the euro experience should teach us, very different economies with the same currency, doesn't work. And that's why in Lombardy we have more than 3x times the GDP per capita then Calabria or Basilicata... Maybe a secession is not strictly required, but imho it should not be a taboo.
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Well, Zaia himself said that he voted yes for the indipendence, but also said that this is just an online-poll. In fact, a part of the votes will be deducted becouse they're false: someone voted more times and someone voted with a false ID.
Anyway, if there'll be a true referendum for the indipendence, I certainly won't blame nobody.
I leave in Brescia, which is very close to Veneto and was dominated by the "Repubblica Serenissima" for long time. I think in Italy we'd live in better condictions if we divide the country. We had the "Rinascimento" (Renaissance) when Italy was divided in several indipendent countries. We have very different economies, and also the languages (which after the 1860 are just dialects) are very different from Veneto, to Lombardia, to Campania, to Sicily.
As the euro experience should teach us, very different economies with the same currency, doesn't work. And that's why in Lombardy we have more than 3x times the GDP per capita then Calabria or Basilicata... Maybe a secession is not strictly required, but imho it should not be a taboo.
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