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Don't ask me to leave you alone, you should leave Sokker alone if you want to post nonsense without me telling you it is nonsense.

And craziness has nothing to do with different ideas, craziness has everything to do with a different state of mind. So again, find another forum with more of those people, way better then misusing the game forum of Sokker.

EDIT: and not only you, but all of you who suffer from faulty wiring.

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so tell me where is this crazyness?
What did I wrote of nonsense?
I would really like you to write it all down. :)

(PS: next time you write "I should" do something (write elsewhere etc) consider it a form of verbal violence you are using to me, instead of saiyng something IT.
Then ask yourself: It defines me or you? That verbal violence is used for the lack of arguments or for the lack of personal self-esteem? Guy, I think I'm doing you a great service here.. give yourself a chance!)

so tell me where is this crazyness?

If a number of people are talking about a messed up situation and you come and use an example as a referendum in Veneto, then I say that's crazy. It's like a number of people talking about cars and all of the sudden you come and say I like bicycles. Eeuuhh .. yes both have wheels, but that's how far the comparison goes.

And in this dicussion you are maybe the least crazy one, eventhough the comment of splitting Ukraine in 2 really doesn't show you understand what can happen if you give the agressor Russia what it wants

And in this dicussion you are maybe the least crazy one, eventhough the comment of splitting Ukraine in 2 really doesn't show you understand what can happen if you give the agressor Russia what it wants

I think that defining Russia an aggressor shows you are unable to discuss those problems. (*)

(*)= I don't want to read about troops moved, lets stay honest about it.


more important:

and you come and use an example as a referendum in Veneto

example for?
did you understand that it was an example used to show that even in a pacific situation there are militar force involved and some population rights not guaranteed? Did you notice how I specified that I didn't want to mix those situation, but to make evident that the split of a county is something that can be desired/wanted. And that it could simply happen? What if my point was that the real problem is not how many countries there will be at the end, but how much pacific it is the process..??
But you have enemies to fight against, you prefer to see people killed, deportation, mass protest, police vs riot, Russia vs USA etc.
Well, I don't, I prefer a pacific conclusion, that allow parts to let their citizen free to move, to talk, to vote and to re change that situation if they don't like where it lead them..

I think you should study a bit the Mandela lesson about pacification of South Africa.

Last annotation, write down your ideas, don't comment other people's posts only to contest them with fallacies like those. You'll maybe have something new to think about instead of having a desert of reason.

I suppose you should find another forum, cos your brainwashed opinions are really disturbing us :-).
One day when you will open your eyes to facts you will understand why your opinions are useless and disturbing us. Your posts have no value, sorry, but somebody had to tell it to you :-).

Does Crimea has the right to be independant or join Russia ? - Yes

Does Russia has the right to move troops to Ukraine and take over militairy bases and stuff ? - No

Does Russia has the right to just take over another country's territory by a quickly organized referendum ? - No

A referendum is a fine tool to see what the people of a certain area want. The thing I found disturbing is this : All over the world certain area's want to be independant. Why did we not ever here something from Crimea that they wanted to be independ of join Russia ? Why did they not organize a referendum before all this mess started ?

Eventually if they really want to join Russia they should be allowed. But Russia had to act more neutral in this situation. They should have not invaded Crimea. And if Crimea really wants to join Russia let them...but a referendum should always be organized in a peacefull way.

Just my two cents.

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Well, tbh I think being in the EU is the lesser of the 2 evils. Nations who will get out of the EU will be in real economics trouble.

I'm not saying the EU is perfect, far from that. But there are a lot of countries who benefit from it.

poor ukranians...
troika are just destroying us

nobody want to exit EU.
I just want Italy to exit from euro.

I feel european, I don't hate any european, I don't want to fight them..
we shall simply stop the identification between the coin and the continent (or the political union).

I fight against euro, not against europe.

+1
I want a different Europe
More democracy and not union of banks but peoples...

I want different Europe without national deficits. Why blame Euro or EU?

Oops...well, expect lots of "study, lean, dont talk bullshit you lil' expert" kind of replies :)

Does Russia has the right to move troops to Ukraine and take over militairy bases and stuff ? NO
Did somebody here read the contract between Russia and Ukraine ? Just question...then I can express my opinion based on facts :-)

Does Russia has the right to just take over another country's territory by a quickly organized referendum ? - No
Hard to say simple yes or no if you will look on emergency problems there. I can ask you too, does Russia have right protect russian people there ? (and how they did it is just tool/way we can discuss about it but I am asking about the point now)

Does NATO has the right attack independent country to take over another country's territory by army ? I suppose Russians solve this problem as humans (no causalities, no dead), NATO did it just as stupid attacker with huge material and human causalities .


Why did they not organize a referendum before all this mess started ?
If there was not problem nothing had to be changed....so bad question. This was reaction....


But Russia had to act more neutral in this situation. They should have not invaded Crimea.
1. More neutral...like nato, bombarded whole Ukraine :-DD ?
2. Invasion is fiction, there was no invasion. We had russian invasion in 1968 in Czechoslovakia and I can say you, I know very well how invasion looks like. This was no invasion, be sure :-)

Gas price for Ukraine inhabitants will be higher about 50% which is one of condition of new loan from EU.

(I am sure, that after Ukraine will had to pay higher price for gas to Russia (from 1.4.), the price of gas for inhabitants will grow again for next 50% or more. I hope you know how poor Ukraine is and what a catastrophic consequence this will have.... just wait half of year and prepare for new huge rebellion there...)

just info..... :-)

I am against euro without strict rules too. I will love euro with strict rules, no debts above 3%, forcing to lowering total debts and so....

if some countries are abusing system and another had to pay for their save, it is not fair!

So I have same opinion on euro, but totally different opinion on core of euro problem :-). Problem is not the euro, problems are politicians of some countries and countries at all.