Subject: »NEWS AROUND THE WORLD

I can't read because I don't agree with your unrealistic ideas about the whole situation?

no, because you understand things as you like,
you think I prefer putin over obama or russia over UE..
you are still at the good vs bad tale
you believe there's an aggressor and a defender

how can we discuss starting with this child view?
politics and economics are something where you must discuss about what is real and possible.

i read too many times in this discussion sentences like"Russia don't have the right to.." "USA is not allowed to.." "Ukraine should not.."
well.. those are bullshits!
In politics, military and economics who can do something is allowed to do it. "International right" is the law of the stronger. Its first rule is the principle of effectiveness.
Deal with it.

If we start from here (reality) we can discuss. If not i'm not interested in.

NB: about ww2 and USA, yes, they won, they imposed an afetr war treaty to loser countries (as Italy). in those treaty there are written that Italy should accept to be a colony.
if italy try to free itself from USA.. USA has militar settlement to prevent and repress everything.
Italy to free itself (having no strenght to do it by itself) can only think to change the country to be "protected from"..
Do you see any coincidence with ukraine?
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Until we don't understand that the whole story is only about to sign a deal for US-EU trade and sell the crapy-fracking gas to Europe before the bubble will breaks out, we'll continue to take one side or the other.

what are you smoking?

well,
from here it's quite evident that your mass protests against your gov and for joining EU were pojected, payed and feeded in Washington.
I think it's sad, for the people that had fighted for freedom believing in it..

but we saw it happen in egypt, tunisia, Lybia or georgia. in your country with the fist "orange revolution" was clearly projected to bring out Ukraine from Russia's influence.
I think crimea is a little winning for putin, but he's losing that war. Russian influence zone (colonized country they control) get smaller and smaller. Nato influence zones (colonized countries they control) get bigger.

it's called paranoia

oh, maybe i forgot to take my pills..
:P

..still I'll swear everywhere there was those "revolution".. at the end those countries ended as NATO colonies..

Gohf... I want to show you that Russian case is much more polite as NATO case in Kosovo so if whole EU consider Kosovo as normal case, I just want to show you that you are wrong, cos russian cas was much more peaceful solution as NATO's one was.

What does these cases have to do with eachtother ? wrong is still wrong no matter how many cases that were also wrong you are gonna compare it with....

The Italian government is free to send the US army back to there homeland.

No way! ;)

So let me get this clear : You say the American army is occupying parts of Italy like Russia did with Crimea ? What drugs are you on ?

Westerners just making better and better conspiracy theories how to explain Russian agression. Obama appeased Russians more than anyone else - from giving up defense againist iranian rockets in Poland and Czechia to ignoring civil war in Syria. Now we have USA with weak president, demilitarized Europe, former empire with inferiority complex and mighty totalitarian country with big potential on east - quite similiar setup as was in interwar period.

cos russian cas was much more peaceful

only because ukrainian soldiers didn't open fire at them (but they had right for it) to not turn this "liberation" in to real war!

I have to agree with guzh77 here, the minute you are taking over military bases and government buildings in another country you should not be suprised when the defendings troops will open fire.

We can thank Ukraine for not letting this involve in a possible 3 world war.

What drugs are you on ?
i thin on same as this guy
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The Italian government is free to send the US army back to there homeland. The Ukraine government was not.

ahahahhahah.
USA won WW2, they rule.
that's reality in this world.


well, lets be honest here. The US army can be in Italy because the government aproves. You can laugh at that but it's still the truth. And it's not nearly the same situation as in Crimea with the Russians.

well, lets be honest here. The US army can be in Italy because the government aproves. You can laugh at that but it's still the truth. And it's not nearly the same situation as in Crimea with the Russians.

obviously that's not the SAME of crimea.
But Italian gov can't do anything about USA militar presence.
(oh, yes, formally we can cancel our treaties with USA.. but staying in the world of reality an italian gov that start something like that will not last the time that it need to..)
we are a colony.
even netherland is..
nothing to fell ashamed.. our fathers wasn't able to win that WW2..
so we got another application of the international rule that says:
the winner takes it all!!!

Lol, neither Italy or Netherland is a colony. Mabye in your way of thinking, but that does not make it the truth.

well, an indirect prove could be that when a colony pass under a new colonialist country you see the tension growing between the two parts. As if someone stole something from somenone else..
If a country is free from another country sphere of influence, why should other country have to question about???


Let's look at Syria, f.e.--
Or at georgia.. or at Ukraine too.

But maybe a better question is what european country do you know exit from Nato without entering in Russia influence? Or the opposite?

Being part of the NATO does not mean you are a colony.

Now we at least know why Italians vote crappy politicians. They think that it realy doesnt matter because they are colony. Their delusion is just somewhat inconsistent because they are not sure if American or German one. /Its joke, no offense intended.

But I am still curious why people tend to believe that its allways fault of someone else. Germany, USA, gypsies, euro, troika, illuminati,...