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In our media reporters said that there are pictures made by NATO about russian forces ....... but russia said that those pictures are several month old.
This is solid information, two opinions. You told here just that first part.
So..... I like information from both sides and if you show here just one part, I told you about that second one, which you maybe forgot or your media never publish it :-)
This is solid information, two opinions. You told here just that first part.
So..... I like information from both sides and if you show here just one part, I told you about that second one, which you maybe forgot or your media never publish it :-)
Ukrainian civils (west translation russian hired provocaters :-DD) want to stop Kiev's tank which is going to the town for fight.
But did these people really looks like russian hired provocaters or they are just simple ukraine civils?? What do you think :-) ?
But did these people really looks like russian hired provocaters or they are just simple ukraine civils?? What do you think :-) ?
you are able just to blame people by funny fail stories and if we show/prove you that you and your resources are wrong you never react on it, cos you know that you was wrong. So you start talking about another bullshit and if you prove you that you are wrong again, you will change theme again....
So every your "opinions" here are ridiculous :-)
So every your "opinions" here are ridiculous :-)
But did these people really looks like russian hired provocaters or they are just simple ukraine civils
on what grounds do you decide if someone looks like a Ukrainian civil citizen, or a Russian hired provocateur?
on what grounds do you decide if someone looks like a Ukrainian civil citizen, or a Russian hired provocateur?
I said seems, not they are and it is based on my feeling so I ask on your opinions. I suppose russian hired provocateurs had to be much more professional :-D.
Ukrainian people are not professionals. Their prime minister used bad flag during state visit from Switzerland :-D
Ukrainian people are not professionals. Their prime minister used bad flag during state visit from Switzerland :-D
Poll: Who's your favourite world leader?
(mine is Abe)
Cameron 1%
Obama 2%
Merkel 3%
Hollande 0%
Putin 70%
Abe 22%
Rousseff 0%
Renzi 2%
PS: but it will be Le Pen in 2017 ;)
(mine is Abe)
Cameron 1%
Obama 2%
Merkel 3%
Hollande 0%
Putin 70%
Abe 22%
Rousseff 0%
Renzi 2%
PS: but it will be Le Pen in 2017 ;)
You are still missing the most important point, aggressors don't ever speak of their true intentions, esspecially via media ...in other words, they don't tell the truth, we had about a century of examples of russian bullshit, they say whatever they see fit within their plan which usually is more that obvious, this is what propaganda is. It is still working in russia very well, and it is spreading to our neighbouring countries also, so it is even more important to perceive when it does, and when it doesn't make sense.
If you think rationality you cannot put two opinions on a equal level, you check them.
It's like saying that evolution and "inteligent design" deserve equal standing, they simply do not.
rumpil, please get this concept once and for all, Ukrainan government in Kiev, decides what they can and cannot do in their own country, on Ukrainian territory, which is extremely important economically, it is not up to foreign citizens!, foreigners or pro-russian "ukrainians" who either don't understand cosequences of thier actions (probably invasion or war) or they are exactly waiting for that to happen, to brake Ukraine in half, literally. These decisions are not up to Putin, or Yanukovich who fled his own country, after being overthrow, and the world community in general accepted the result of this revolution, except with few only self-interest countries, mainly russia, a few brutal regimes who suck up to russia, literally, there is no argument there.
Please drop this hitler retoric that Putin is using, about the "russian miniory" to later justify military invasion, this is its only purpose. If russia stabilized Crimea and gave it back to Ukraine after the electons, the there would be dialogue and arguments for both sides, but after crimea, dialogue drops to to second place, as there is a obvious only self-interested aggressor in russia, and a obvious weakend victim, as the outcome. And the trend didn't change for a second, if anything there are more threats for russia.
Lets just hope that in geneve in two days, there is some solution, and that russia is not only a spectator there.. who will use new information to their own sel-interest benefit later.
Ukraine is screw for years, anyway.. lets just hope russia doesn't add to that, even more that they did already.
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If you think rationality you cannot put two opinions on a equal level, you check them.
It's like saying that evolution and "inteligent design" deserve equal standing, they simply do not.
rumpil, please get this concept once and for all, Ukrainan government in Kiev, decides what they can and cannot do in their own country, on Ukrainian territory, which is extremely important economically, it is not up to foreign citizens!, foreigners or pro-russian "ukrainians" who either don't understand cosequences of thier actions (probably invasion or war) or they are exactly waiting for that to happen, to brake Ukraine in half, literally. These decisions are not up to Putin, or Yanukovich who fled his own country, after being overthrow, and the world community in general accepted the result of this revolution, except with few only self-interest countries, mainly russia, a few brutal regimes who suck up to russia, literally, there is no argument there.
Please drop this hitler retoric that Putin is using, about the "russian miniory" to later justify military invasion, this is its only purpose. If russia stabilized Crimea and gave it back to Ukraine after the electons, the there would be dialogue and arguments for both sides, but after crimea, dialogue drops to to second place, as there is a obvious only self-interested aggressor in russia, and a obvious weakend victim, as the outcome. And the trend didn't change for a second, if anything there are more threats for russia.
Lets just hope that in geneve in two days, there is some solution, and that russia is not only a spectator there.. who will use new information to their own sel-interest benefit later.
Ukraine is screw for years, anyway.. lets just hope russia doesn't add to that, even more that they did already.
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jasiom22, please get this concept once and for all, Ukrainan government in Kiev, decides what they can and cannot do in their own country, on Ukrainian territory, which is extremely important economically, it is not up to foreign citizens!, foreigners or pro-euromaidan "ukrainians" who either don't understand cosequences of thier actions (probably invasion or war) or they are exactly waiting for that to happen, to brake Ukraine in half, literally. These decisions are not up to Obama, Ashton or Merkel, or Yatsenyuk, wich as non elected is already selling his country to the troika. And the world community in general accepted the result of this revolution, except with few only self-interest countries, mainly russia, becouse basically they are puppet countries with fake democracy who suck up to USA, literally, there is no argument there.
Please drop this Bush retoric that Obama is using, about the "russian pressure" to later justify military invasion, this is its only purpose.
Please drop this Bush retoric that Obama is using, about the "russian pressure" to later justify military invasion, this is its only purpose.
This is what you get from posting in this topic, after a quiet weekend you have given the looneys a reason to start posting their nonsense again :/
well done, you can't get much dumber than that.
"foreigners or pro-euromaidan" - nonsense.
"Obama, Ashton or Merkel" are not making any decisions in the Ukrainian conflict, they are reacting to russian aggression. This is pure nonsense again, and misunderstanding of the actual situation, just replying the literal negation of a sound piont, almost exactly what russia's srategy in stealing ukrainian territory is all about.
"suck up to USA"... you mean EU if anything... this is up to ukrainian people and their governent, not a overthown corrupt governmenet but the actual one in place now, which is only not accepted by another corrupt russian government who is the only beneficiary of this conflict, and few other corrupt goverments countries support this nonsense...
the only invasion so war was made by russia in crimea, comparing Bush and Obama is also a nice example of you misunderstanding.
good luck, russian army previously in Kharkiv did the same thing (like in this factual katyn movie represantation below). UE and US become almost irrelevant, when you have a little understanding of russia, and the ex- soviet FSB or kgb officers running the country since 1991.
russian military in Khakriv (last time) is incomparable to anything US or EU made.
Russian army should have been demobilised in 1945 just like Hitler's army or more so, not allowed to concider themselves victims of hitler, and winners of so called "patriotic war" (wwII) in which they murdered much more lives that hitler. And now they "only" stole Crimea.. because of russian speakers there...
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"foreigners or pro-euromaidan" - nonsense.
"Obama, Ashton or Merkel" are not making any decisions in the Ukrainian conflict, they are reacting to russian aggression. This is pure nonsense again, and misunderstanding of the actual situation, just replying the literal negation of a sound piont, almost exactly what russia's srategy in stealing ukrainian territory is all about.
"suck up to USA"... you mean EU if anything... this is up to ukrainian people and their governent, not a overthown corrupt governmenet but the actual one in place now, which is only not accepted by another corrupt russian government who is the only beneficiary of this conflict, and few other corrupt goverments countries support this nonsense...
the only invasion so war was made by russia in crimea, comparing Bush and Obama is also a nice example of you misunderstanding.
good luck, russian army previously in Kharkiv did the same thing (like in this factual katyn movie represantation below). UE and US become almost irrelevant, when you have a little understanding of russia, and the ex- soviet FSB or kgb officers running the country since 1991.
russian military in Khakriv (last time) is incomparable to anything US or EU made.
Russian army should have been demobilised in 1945 just like Hitler's army or more so, not allowed to concider themselves victims of hitler, and winners of so called "patriotic war" (wwII) in which they murdered much more lives that hitler. And now they "only" stole Crimea.. because of russian speakers there...
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whole post is made in your point of view (that one you like :-) ), but it doesnt reflect reality.... I dont have more time tonight to make longer reaction.
You suppose that Ukraine as one country (aimed on west) and I think that last 20 years and especially last half of year show us that there is not "one Ukraine" but east pro russian ukraine and west pro EU ukraine..
You suppose that Ukraine as one country (aimed on west) and I think that last 20 years and especially last half of year show us that there is not "one Ukraine" but east pro russian ukraine and west pro EU ukraine..
Yes there is one Ukrainie divided into two groups like in every country on earth, maybe in ukrainie there are more radical, but, now you have to differentiate betwen Ukrainian government behind one group who seek help from the US and EU because they are being annexed by a neighbouring country (crimea), and russian government behind the other, group who is terrorising Ukrainians in Ukraine, taking ukrainian airposrt just like russia did in sevastopol, with not real incentive, except the one russian military support gives to them, to only russian benefit, not to the benefit of east-ukrainians, if you can even call them that since they wave russians flags allover.
It is very simple:
russia should have no military business whatsover to do with regions of another country, esspecially in a place were their army murrdered thousands of people.
internal ukrainian conflict vs global conflict.
Ukrainians in Ukraine can do what they want, within reason and UN law.
russians in russia can do what they want, within reason and UN law.
russians can not do what they want in ukraine, full stop.
It is not my opinion, what I posted above is brutal reality. The two arguments discussion stoped when russian military annexed a part of another country. STEALING resources and forcing people to change nationality if the did want to lose homes and money, which was transfers to russian currency, along with a time change to moscow time.
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It is very simple:
russia should have no military business whatsover to do with regions of another country, esspecially in a place were their army murrdered thousands of people.
internal ukrainian conflict vs global conflict.
Ukrainians in Ukraine can do what they want, within reason and UN law.
russians in russia can do what they want, within reason and UN law.
russians can not do what they want in ukraine, full stop.
It is not my opinion, what I posted above is brutal reality. The two arguments discussion stoped when russian military annexed a part of another country. STEALING resources and forcing people to change nationality if the did want to lose homes and money, which was transfers to russian currency, along with a time change to moscow time.
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I hear you talk about Russian imperialism all the time. What about the ongoing American imperialism?
where and when did america invade a place, to make it their own territory?
Russia did last month, this march 2014.
Sikorski also commented on the words of President Vladimir Putin, who in a telephone conversation with UN Secretary General Ban Ki Mun said that Moscow expects unequivocal condemnation by the UN anti-constitutional actions of the authorities of Ukraine to the east of the country. The Foreign Minister expressed his amazement: "I do not understand the logical structure, because Ukraine has the right to use force against armed, unidentified people who take over the airport. So I'd like to know which card point of the United Nations has been broken" - he said.
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Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said Friday (28 march 2014) that Russian President Vladimir Putin assured him he had no intention of making another military move into Ukraine following the annexation of Crimea.
...and if anyone remembers Putin at the begining of march 2014 had no idea, where those soldiers "separatists" are from?.. wink wink, lol ;-)
"If some unidentified men take control of a ukrainian airport, Ukraine has the right to take it back. On the other hand we don't know what Russia will do. Some of the information form russia seems to imply that if Ukrainie uses force on its own territory, Russia will use this as an excuse to invade" - Sikorski said.
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Russia did last month, this march 2014.
Sikorski also commented on the words of President Vladimir Putin, who in a telephone conversation with UN Secretary General Ban Ki Mun said that Moscow expects unequivocal condemnation by the UN anti-constitutional actions of the authorities of Ukraine to the east of the country. The Foreign Minister expressed his amazement: "I do not understand the logical structure, because Ukraine has the right to use force against armed, unidentified people who take over the airport. So I'd like to know which card point of the United Nations has been broken" - he said.
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Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said Friday (28 march 2014) that Russian President Vladimir Putin assured him he had no intention of making another military move into Ukraine following the annexation of Crimea.
...and if anyone remembers Putin at the begining of march 2014 had no idea, where those soldiers "separatists" are from?.. wink wink, lol ;-)
"If some unidentified men take control of a ukrainian airport, Ukraine has the right to take it back. On the other hand we don't know what Russia will do. Some of the information form russia seems to imply that if Ukrainie uses force on its own territory, Russia will use this as an excuse to invade" - Sikorski said.
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