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It will be not written directly and clearly, but the point is clear....as also IMF money help and its changes which ukraine had to do are not written directly . I hope you can understand that politics have their own style.
And yes, I will always rely on your interpretations :))
And yes, I will always rely on your interpretations :))
I didn't read anything about that and can hardly believe that the EU would force Ukraine to a war.
Indeed, I instead read about US being impatient with EU patience in this sense :P
I only read that IMF is getting busy again in Ukraine :(
This goes all the way back to our early discussion on how happy should we be that a government was being overthrown by armed people in a square as opposed to losing elections. While many decisions will have to wait until a new government is elected, IMF deals, which will translate into long term constraints on Ukraine's economic policy, are being signed in no time by the dubiously legitimate government that emerged after the crisis...
Indeed, I instead read about US being impatient with EU patience in this sense :P
I only read that IMF is getting busy again in Ukraine :(
This goes all the way back to our early discussion on how happy should we be that a government was being overthrown by armed people in a square as opposed to losing elections. While many decisions will have to wait until a new government is elected, IMF deals, which will translate into long term constraints on Ukraine's economic policy, are being signed in no time by the dubiously legitimate government that emerged after the crisis...
Look, EU doesnt need east ukraine (except oil resources :-) ) because east ukraine is industry part of Ukraine and EU dont need next competitors. EU need new market, cheep workforce and place for nuclear waste storage (which is above Kiev).
But mad war dicks in pentagon and in some EU "families" which defacto control EU have their own war plans, they need get the all world under their influence so they need crush russia and then the rest of the world. Ukraine, whole ukraine is very good strategic place. They tried it in Gruzia but Russia solved it very fast so this is their next try.
But this is just my point of view and I am not taking any pills (maybe I should :-D). Just answer on your question about benefits, there are various groups in shadow and various goal and so... so you can get more answers on this.
But mad war dicks in pentagon and in some EU "families" which defacto control EU have their own war plans, they need get the all world under their influence so they need crush russia and then the rest of the world. Ukraine, whole ukraine is very good strategic place. They tried it in Gruzia but Russia solved it very fast so this is their next try.
But this is just my point of view and I am not taking any pills (maybe I should :-D). Just answer on your question about benefits, there are various groups in shadow and various goal and so... so you can get more answers on this.
You should... look on some facts... there is long list of countries attacked by USA, now also attacked by EU itself.... and please tell me the countries which were attack by Russia in last 20 years ?? (except that one where conflict started foreign forces and where lives russians (so not gruzia :-) )
If USA would attack Mexico as a security solution of some problems there...I can accept that but If USA is attacking on the whole world it is not about their security,no rocket can hit them from Yugoslavia or irak or so...
Tell me just one country which was attacked by Russia not on their borders and where are not a lot of Russians
If USA would attack Mexico as a security solution of some problems there...I can accept that but If USA is attacking on the whole world it is not about their security,no rocket can hit them from Yugoslavia or irak or so...
Tell me just one country which was attacked by Russia not on their borders and where are not a lot of Russians
everybody intelligent man can discuss international politics even if like football :-)
A lot of manager who love this game visit mostly sokker topics, not this one :-)
A lot of manager who love this game visit mostly sokker topics, not this one :-)
You really think you will have more users if you offer less different topics to talk about on the forum?
Once again, I cannot see the rationale behind that. And once again, I don't think that's my fault.
Once again, I cannot see the rationale behind that. And once again, I don't think that's my fault.
rumpil, please stop posting nonsense, like below, this is simply not true:
"EU announced that Ukraine will get NO money, if they will not start a war for east ukraine few days ago."
"look on some facts... there is long list of countries attacked by USA, now also attacked by EU itself.... and please tell me the countries which were attack by Russia in last 20 years ?? (except... LOL, except..
UN, EU, NATO, USA i IMF are not the same thing. Still... not giving away money, to a country which is unable or unwilling to defend themselves is rational, a not a "trick" to force ukraine to war...
Russia attacked Ukraine, officially on 1 march 2014, un-officially a month earlier.
They did not intervene to bring "peace" to ukraine, they STOLE territory which was not russian - it was Ukrainian, full stop, even USA doesn't do that...
...as for Georgia (your exception, lol) it is also obvious that Russia provoked the aggression, and again stole not their territory of a weaker country, by creating two russian puppet states, within Georgian borders, very similar yet not as obvious as in Crimea. You can be sure that russia is the provocateur and aggressor in these cases, it is given... by the unfair outcome, where the gain is only on the russian side.
PS: Russia wants as much of this potent territory as they can steal off... it is quite simple, also russia / Putin want to make it as hard as possible for the elections in Ukraine on the 25 may, by then he the "new russia" as he called it, in east Ukraine should be established. Simple, as Putin is not actually hiding his intentions, as he is playing up with the false "moral high ground" only to his own internal audience.
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"EU announced that Ukraine will get NO money, if they will not start a war for east ukraine few days ago."
"look on some facts... there is long list of countries attacked by USA, now also attacked by EU itself.... and please tell me the countries which were attack by Russia in last 20 years ?? (except... LOL, except..
UN, EU, NATO, USA i IMF are not the same thing. Still... not giving away money, to a country which is unable or unwilling to defend themselves is rational, a not a "trick" to force ukraine to war...
Russia attacked Ukraine, officially on 1 march 2014, un-officially a month earlier.
They did not intervene to bring "peace" to ukraine, they STOLE territory which was not russian - it was Ukrainian, full stop, even USA doesn't do that...
...as for Georgia (your exception, lol) it is also obvious that Russia provoked the aggression, and again stole not their territory of a weaker country, by creating two russian puppet states, within Georgian borders, very similar yet not as obvious as in Crimea. You can be sure that russia is the provocateur and aggressor in these cases, it is given... by the unfair outcome, where the gain is only on the russian side.
PS: Russia wants as much of this potent territory as they can steal off... it is quite simple, also russia / Putin want to make it as hard as possible for the elections in Ukraine on the 25 may, by then he the "new russia" as he called it, in east Ukraine should be established. Simple, as Putin is not actually hiding his intentions, as he is playing up with the false "moral high ground" only to his own internal audience.
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(The Washington Post) - Russia and Ukraine are positioning their troops for war