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1.Luhansk, 2.Sloviansk, 3.Odessa... a now 4.Donieck and 5.Mariupol.



GOOGLE MAPS - UKRAINE CONFLICT
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So there is no country which was attacked by russia but plenty of countries which were attacked by US or EU members... thx for answer, I do expect that you will not find any country :-D

"give me a single country that Hitler attacked or annected in 1938-39 except Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland" :-D :-] . - your level of "argument", is worth as much as this statement above. You seem to anwser your own questions, so there is no need to follow up, this irrelevant nonsense you insist on.

And your point is? US is bad, we know... and...?

What about the actual issue at hand:
russian citizens shooting down ukrainian helicopters in ukraine? do you support that?
russian citizens along with masked militants equiped in and by russia, with their support continuing unrest and violence in east Ukraine. This is a war since 1 march, it is unconventionally conducted by russia and serves their interest only, and undermines peace all over the world.
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Georgia and Ukraine were attacked by Russia.

And your point is? US is bad, we know... and...?
We also know that they started orange revolution and now also maidan rebellions..... and you can answer "and..?".
Why you blame russia if you know it !?

russian citizens shooting down ukrainian helicopters in ukraine? do you support that?
Russian by nationality but ukrainian by citizenship. And what to say, it is normal if your government want hurt you that you will defend.

russian citizens along with masked militants equiped in and by russia, with their support continuing unrest
change two words "continuing unrest" for "continuing defend" and you will get the point.

This is a war since 1 march,
There is one one side who use army, tanks and air force and it is Kiev so yes, Kiev used army against citizens (as you said), what a shame on such a government !

Actually I dont see any advance of Kiev's government last 20 years, ukrainian people are cheating, abusing and now big majority there are losing their natural laws so I can accept why these people declare independence and start defending its new country aganist evil.

I told except bordes. As I told, I can accept if USA will attack Mexico or Cuba, cos yes it is very danger security reason. But the difference is that there dont live americans in Cuba or Mexico.

Goergia and Ukraine are borders with russia and there live russians.

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Szatratosz...we have long list of countries attacked by US or "EU" outside of thier borders, so there is no excuse/reason why they attack them. Tell me just one country attacked in same style by russia. We all know that russia didnt attack any. So this is prove who is aggressor on the world and who not. If you will understand this, you will find the truth about ukraine conflict easier :-)

Hitler was only attacking countries on Germany's borders too. It was the USA, who attacked Germany, far away from their borders. The Germans didn't want anything from America, they didn't threaten them. With your logic, America was the aggressor in WWII too.

By the way:



There are heavily armed Russian citizens in Ukraine, of course they won't tell if they're Russian army.

LOL, yugoslavia, greece, russia, africa, slovakia.... and next and next, all were on german borders :-D ?
You should buy a map :-)

Most of them are older, so it can be old man which was at the war as a young and now they are just reserves. And that man explain it very well in that video, they come and always will come for help if their friends ask for it.

So this all is about defending against western aggressors so I think that they are aggressors :-).

But if you want see russian separatists (maybe members of russian special forces) look here :-)





and this one is also well armoured :-D

Ok, Greece was an exception, it wasn't bordering Germany. So that was the only mistake the Germans made then.

In Africa they were fighting against the British Empire, and it was them, who declared war on Germany. Yugoslavia, Slovakia and Russia were on the German borders at that time. Maybe you should look at a map from the era, and not from today. :)

I like the guy with the medieval armour. :D

Yes, they need unarmed civilians too, so they can use them as human shield. But that doesn't mean they don't have the necessary firepower.

Look at those simple people at 2:53 for example. The peacful ones hiding their faces, carrying missile launchers, setting up checkpoints:

I dont doubt that there are russians, cos it is normal, that russians from Russia are protecting russians in Ukraine. But I dont doubt also that a lot of them are just old ukrainian veterans or young anarchist which want fight. Anyway... the core question should be what every side ask.

One side want freedom and human rights and prosperity and cultural connections with their "motherland russia" and also want cut off mafia government which doesnt improve their lifes. Prove of this is the fact that in Kiev was demonstrating also simple citizens of Kiev, so it is fact that Ukrainian government is bad and it is not just opinion of the east part of country and cos there was already one orange revolution we can say that Kiev's government is terrorizing and cheating people decades....

What want another side, want money and power and is not going help to people as they did it decades. They need personal power and are trying to get money from russia and also from EU for stealing and so. They dont hesitate use even army against people to hold power of last coup. A lot of countries in Ukraine DONT want join russia, they want independence so they will not have to listen Kiev's mafia any more.

Why west is not supporting that part which want freedom, prosperity and peaceful life?? Answer is that they want have cultural and business connections with russia, our "enemy" :-D. The shame on EU that for money and strategical war positions and power is able stand for bad side. EU dont care about people there, EU and USA have just business and war goals. Russia want have that area peaceful and without problems, that is the reason why they still not send there armies, just are threating Kiev to stop using army against civilians.

And tell me... how can be east part of Ukraine bad when even soldiers of Ukraine army and police members are leaving Kiev's order and standing on part of simple people :-)??

My opinion is very clear, Kiev's government is and was mafia group which never help to people of Ukraine. EU and USA have there own reasons which will dont help to people too and Russia is trying stop that western aggression. That is all.

cos it is normal, that russians from Russia are protecting russians in Ukraine.

No, it's not normal.

Kiev's government is and was mafia group which never help to people of Ukraine.

So let's send some good old russians there, who will create a biig prosperity and peace and welfare for all...ohh, and annex them to Russian Federation.

Why west is not supporting that part which want freedom, prosperity and peaceful life??

So Russia has tripled the gas prices in the past couple of months, sent troops over the borders, has deployed massive troops who are currently having exercises few miles from the border, threatens Nato warships in the Black Sea...what should west do against this prosperity, freedom and peaceful life?

A lot of countries in Ukraine DONT want join russia

There are many countries in Ukraine? Anyways, every region should get independent cause of citizens will, without any intervention. We knew that it wont stop with Crimea, and we also know that it wont stop with Donetsk or Kharkov.

I can understand those Russians, who don't want Ukraine anymore. The whole Ukrainian elite is responsible for this mess. Kuchma, Timoshenko, Yanukovich were all corrupt, incapable leaders, caring only about the wealth of their clan. Ukraine is like Yeltsin-era Russia, nothing works well. It was also a retarded decision, when the new provisional government's first act was to restrict the Russians national rights. So that's one side of the problem.

Russia seems to do better than Ukraine, but it's partially because of oil and gas, and partially because Putin has managed to centralize the same system, by the cost of less freedom rights. Now they can somewhat control their own mafia, but it's still a mafia-state. And I will never admit that the side which arrests (sometimes even murders) journalists and OSCE inspectors represents freedom.

An other thing is shale gas. Ukraine has a lot of deposit around the Kharkiv-Donetsk region (what a coincidence!). In other European countries, locals don't want to exploit shale gas, because it damages environment, and can cause earthquakes. But Ukrainians were eager to do so, because Russians were toying with them a lot in the past. American and European companies already got rights to seek for gas. Some said that Ukraine could become self sustainable, and net exporter until 2020. Obviously Russians don't want to let this happen.

I have no proof, but I'm sure that CIA, Mosad, MI6, GRU, FSB, whatever are all there with loads of agents. No way there are only Western and no Russian agents in the background of this. It seems to me that it's the good old great powers having fun with the lives of millions game, and the Russians are winning this round, so they have a good time. I just hope they won't raise the stakes too high.