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France will supply warship to Russia, contract for 1,2 bilions €.
As we can see, it is all just propaganda... that bad news about russia and so.... :-).
As we can see, it is all just propaganda... that bad news about russia and so.... :-).
btw... people of future Donetsk republic (and others) decided to have own state on Sunday. After they declare it Ukrainian forces will be attackers and occupants. From this moment we can not say that russia is occupying them, if independent republic ask for help, it is their choice but I hope Ukrainian occupants will go home.
Or you could say that ukraine have the right to defend there country to these separist who try to take ground from ukraine.
just like putin does in dagestan and chechzny, he defends it against terrorist. If these terrorist from dagestand etc would live in ukraine putin would help them but sadly for them there are not.
just like putin does in dagestan and chechzny, he defends it against terrorist. If these terrorist from dagestand etc would live in ukraine putin would help them but sadly for them there are not.
Many of the voters were not on the outdated registration lists but were allowed to vote after showing identification documents.
There also seemed to be no system in place to prevent one person from voting at multiple polling stations.
A CNN crew saw several people vote twice at one polling station, where the ballot boxes were decorated with new Donetsk independence flags.
etc. no list, no control, you didn't need even to be citizen.
so stop to write bullshit!
There also seemed to be no system in place to prevent one person from voting at multiple polling stations.
A CNN crew saw several people vote twice at one polling station, where the ballot boxes were decorated with new Donetsk independence flags.
etc. no list, no control, you didn't need even to be citizen.
so stop to write bullshit!
I agree with a lot of things you say, but I disagree that a compromise with Yanukovich would be a victory. That would mean everything goes back to the way it was. Yanukovich would stay in power for half more year, which would be more than enough for him to clear up all the evidence about his corruption. He could temproarily retreat from the frontline, and probably an other one of his clan could move forward.
What would happen on the other side? Same old corrupt politicians would be back. Ukraine already had Timoshenko, she is nothing better then the other side.
What would this solve? How would anything turn better with the same leadership? How could a revolution be victorious if they don't manage to change the leaders, and corrupt politicians can keep exploiting the people without consequences?
Ukrainians already had a huge disappointment with the Orange revolution, this would be the same. If they compromise there would be another revolution in 5-10 years, even more desperate then this one. It already starts to become a tradition that people go to the streets, which is very unhealthy.
Russians could also move in, if not now, then next time. They've hardly figured out this invasion idea under just a couple of days, they've already had their scenario for this. Not only this Ukrainian government is weak, Ukraine was always a very weak state, so it could be predicted by Kremlin's strategists, that they will eventually have such a chance.
So to sum things up, I think, the greatest problem with Maidan was that it couldn't produce a new alternative. Instead the old politicians gave speeches, but Maidan didn't accept neither Timoshenko, nor Klitchko, or anyone else. They've only managed to be against something and not for something, and that's usually not a good sign for the future.
What would happen on the other side? Same old corrupt politicians would be back. Ukraine already had Timoshenko, she is nothing better then the other side.
What would this solve? How would anything turn better with the same leadership? How could a revolution be victorious if they don't manage to change the leaders, and corrupt politicians can keep exploiting the people without consequences?
Ukrainians already had a huge disappointment with the Orange revolution, this would be the same. If they compromise there would be another revolution in 5-10 years, even more desperate then this one. It already starts to become a tradition that people go to the streets, which is very unhealthy.
Russians could also move in, if not now, then next time. They've hardly figured out this invasion idea under just a couple of days, they've already had their scenario for this. Not only this Ukrainian government is weak, Ukraine was always a very weak state, so it could be predicted by Kremlin's strategists, that they will eventually have such a chance.
So to sum things up, I think, the greatest problem with Maidan was that it couldn't produce a new alternative. Instead the old politicians gave speeches, but Maidan didn't accept neither Timoshenko, nor Klitchko, or anyone else. They've only managed to be against something and not for something, and that's usually not a good sign for the future.
Maybe if Russians would lie a referendum-victory by a bit smaller margin some of the non-pro-Russians would actually believe them.
Btw an interesting link about Crimea:
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Btw an interesting link about Crimea:
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That was one of the first news, when EU and USA started to threaten Russia with sanctions. Western countries kept exporting weapons to Russia including that warship. If they would take this even a little bit seriously, weapons should be the first to be stopped trading with.
If it depends on Western countries, it will be the same like it was with Georgia, only a little bit louder. Back then they threatened they will isolate Russia, and they will make them pay for the aggression. But not much happened really. Diplomats condemned Russia a couple of times for the Western audience, and a couple of years later everybody forgot that there's even a country exists with the name Georgia.
If it depends on Western countries, it will be the same like it was with Georgia, only a little bit louder. Back then they threatened they will isolate Russia, and they will make them pay for the aggression. But not much happened really. Diplomats condemned Russia a couple of times for the Western audience, and a couple of years later everybody forgot that there's even a country exists with the name Georgia.
Yanukovich would stay in power for half more year, which would be more than enough for him to clear up all the evidence about his corruption. (...)
What would happen on the other side? Same old corrupt politicians would be back. Ukraine already had Timoshenko, she is nothing better then the other side.
This could be the outcome. Yet compared to the present state of affairs... I don't know.
However, while it might had been a bad idea for (some of?) the protesters, it was certainly better for the Timoshenkos, Klitchkos, and their foreign supporters. And I think they also fueled Maidan to its eventual end, which was a strategic mistake. Overconfidence? Perhaps they took the agreement (and the fact that Russia itself wanted him to sign it - a way to keep their puppet longer?) as a sign of Yanukovich's weakness, and decided that a tiny extra push wouldn't harm anyone...
They've only managed to be against something and not for something, and that's usually not a good sign for the future.
I think plenty of Argentinians can support that statement... I believe Greeks as well.
What would happen on the other side? Same old corrupt politicians would be back. Ukraine already had Timoshenko, she is nothing better then the other side.
This could be the outcome. Yet compared to the present state of affairs... I don't know.
However, while it might had been a bad idea for (some of?) the protesters, it was certainly better for the Timoshenkos, Klitchkos, and their foreign supporters. And I think they also fueled Maidan to its eventual end, which was a strategic mistake. Overconfidence? Perhaps they took the agreement (and the fact that Russia itself wanted him to sign it - a way to keep their puppet longer?) as a sign of Yanukovich's weakness, and decided that a tiny extra push wouldn't harm anyone...
They've only managed to be against something and not for something, and that's usually not a good sign for the future.
I think plenty of Argentinians can support that statement... I believe Greeks as well.
how did they decide it?
they declared their opinion about independence in referendum.
they declared their opinion about independence in referendum.
ok... stronger wins :-)
but in this case weaker wins :-)
but in this case weaker wins :-)
I saw some videos and there was everybody check by ID or passport with list of evidence...ok, there can be mistakes, cos it is "home-made" referendum, but I dont care if 3 or 5 or 7 % are wrong, or even 10, the result is so clear that I accept it.
and again same question...what can give Kiev to that regions ?? NOTHING !
So they will have now better own republic without thieves and so...they will have future and how it will looks will depend on themselves, not on cheater named Kiev government.
and again same question...what can give Kiev to that regions ?? NOTHING !
So they will have now better own republic without thieves and so...they will have future and how it will looks will depend on themselves, not on cheater named Kiev government.
I don't find that logical. If they would think that way, than the proposal of the compromise would've been enough sign of weakness. Why would one sign an agreement that he's willing to break next day?
I rather think, they were overconfident, because they thought they have enough influence on the people of Maidan. But Klitchko was never respected and Timoshenko missed too much, she didn't understand anymore what people wanted to hear. They thought they can sign an agreement but in reality they didn't represent anybody.
I rather think, they were overconfident, because they thought they have enough influence on the people of Maidan. But Klitchko was never respected and Timoshenko missed too much, she didn't understand anymore what people wanted to hear. They thought they can sign an agreement but in reality they didn't represent anybody.
Look at the link I just posted before! :)
The real results of the Crimean elections were leaked by the Russian Council of Human Rights. About 40% participated, and slightly bit more than half of them voted for Russia. That's a bit more than 3/5/7% wrong, isn't it?
The real results of the Crimean elections were leaked by the Russian Council of Human Rights. About 40% participated, and slightly bit more than half of them voted for Russia. That's a bit more than 3/5/7% wrong, isn't it?
I was thinking, if you really cared about people you wouldn't spend so much time posting your nonsense about Ukraine but would post about the situation in for example Syria, over 100.000 (!!) death: Casualties of the Syrian Civil War
By mid-March 2014, the opposition activist group Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) reported the number of children killed in the conflict had risen to 7,985, while at the same time 5,266 women were also killed.
But it has nothing to do with 'the people', but only with your love for Russia! There is a word for this behaviour and these kind of people who say one thing but mean something else, in fact there are more words for it .... I can't post these words because of the risk to get banned again (for using the correct wording), but everyone knows the words.
EDIT: oh wait, Assad is a friend of madman Putin also .... forget I mentioned it, before more pro-Russia nonsense will be posted.
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By mid-March 2014, the opposition activist group Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) reported the number of children killed in the conflict had risen to 7,985, while at the same time 5,266 women were also killed.
But it has nothing to do with 'the people', but only with your love for Russia! There is a word for this behaviour and these kind of people who say one thing but mean something else, in fact there are more words for it .... I can't post these words because of the risk to get banned again (for using the correct wording), but everyone knows the words.
EDIT: oh wait, Assad is a friend of madman Putin also .... forget I mentioned it, before more pro-Russia nonsense will be posted.
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Well written. I have one issue, maybe little conspiracy but I have somewhat problem to believe that Yanukovich had to retreat to Russia when he still had police and army. If he would just retreat to Eastern Ukraine he would be safe and probably playing his role better. Or maybe hes just wretched man who acted that way because he was threatened by some secret agency. Maybe he just played cards for power, lost and now enjoys stolen money than leading bakrupted country. Bu it was suspicious to me already at that time and his next actions raised my feelings there is something fishy.
The legitimacy of government is low, but it was approved by parliament and it announced elections, so in my eyes its enough in that unwanted situation. Much more disturbing is that Maidan was also about fighting againist oligarchs, economy connected with politics and private mafias. Its already safe to say that this revolution failed in this. Some oligarchs were just exchanged for another and their power is bigger than ever. Without lowering corruption its hardy possible build anything. Of course in face of occupation of some parts of country and threat of civil war or invasions its cannot priority.
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The legitimacy of government is low, but it was approved by parliament and it announced elections, so in my eyes its enough in that unwanted situation. Much more disturbing is that Maidan was also about fighting againist oligarchs, economy connected with politics and private mafias. Its already safe to say that this revolution failed in this. Some oligarchs were just exchanged for another and their power is bigger than ever. Without lowering corruption its hardy possible build anything. Of course in face of occupation of some parts of country and threat of civil war or invasions its cannot priority.
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