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Well, if there are fully armed rebels there, who shot down several helicopters by now, then isn't it possible, that the Ukrainian army is after them, and not the civilians?

What I see, is Ukrainian government couldn't do anything for months. In the meantime the Russian supplied rebels have captured Eastern-Ukraine, put out Ukrainian laws there, faked a referendum, and estabilished a miniature dictatorship - yesterday another journalist was kidnapped by the peaceful civilians. Luckily he was released after a few hours, he was just intimidated.

Now Ukraine is supposed to enforce it's laws, so after several months they started a military action. Police is obviously under-equipped by now, usually they aren't meant to battle against heavy weaponry. So now their obsolete army killed civilians too, and as a true post-Soviet reaction they immediately denied even the fact of the bombardements. This shows, that there's no good side in this war (as usual), but Russia and it's puppets are definitely not the less worse.

Syria? Yes, America supplies the rebels with some second-hand AKs and RPGs. On the other side Russia supplies Assad with armored vehicles, drones and guided bombs. Is that ok for you? Assad has killed 10000s of civilians. Is it ok when Assad kills civilians? Because he kills a lot more than the Ukrainian government and the pro-Russian rebels together.

And there's another big difference: the Syrian conflict was started by the people of Syria influenced by the Arab spring, and after decades of terror from the Assad regime. USA didn't even know what to react in the first weeks. This Ukrainian conflict was started by Russia invading Crimea, using the removal of Yanukovich as a casus belli and as an opportunity, that the Ukrainian government was temporarily even weaker then usually.

So now I'm curious. Do you think, that the pro-Russian rebellion is righteous? Do you think the Syrian rebellion is not righteous?

And there's another big difference: the Syrian conflict was started by the people of Syria influenced by the Arab spring, and after decades of terror from the Assad regime. USA didn't even know what to react in the first weeks.

well, "arab spring" is something we must know a little before to state that USA don't started it.
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In the meantime the Russian supplied rebels have captured Eastern-Ukraine, put out Ukrainian laws there, faked a referendum, and estabilished a miniature dictatorship

So in Kiev wasn't a dictatorship? Yanukovich (the only fair elected president) wasn't even empeached.
4 candidates were forced to retire, someone after hard-beating (Tsarev), someone after his party officies were assaulted and burned and his very life threatened (Simonenko and his comunist party gathered milions of votes in the previous elections). If wasn't this election faked....

yesterday another journalist was kidnapped by the peaceful civilians. Luckily he was released after a few hours, he was just intimidated.

So, I assume you don't know nothing about Graham Philips, the 2 journalists from Life News, and many other....

This shows, that there's no good side in this war (as usual)

totally agree

but Russia and it's puppets are definitely not the less worse.

disagree here ;)

About you last part of the post, I suppose an answer will open a huge philosophic topic. But what I can say is that good/evil are not only to one side.
What I do think, is that with controversials like those, the only law should matter is the right of self determination. I really don't want to live in a world where USA provoke rebellions and then acts like the only sheriff in town. I don't want any international sheriff at all but the UN!
So yes, Russia was wrong in the Chechnya wars, in Afghanistan in the 80's and maybe also in Syria today.
But then I whatch the USA's list, and I see (just naming a few)... Korea, Viet-Nam, Chile, Argentina, Nicaragua, Panama, Colombia, Burkina Faso, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libia, Serbia..... all the colored revolutions and the arab springs... and only God know how many other...
I mean, I'm really much more worried about the US (with all his military bases all over the world) then Russia.
And beside, I feel much more linked to the russian culture and history (europeans) then the americans'.

I almost started to give you some answers until I realized what you have written: 'and that doing this USA and UE won't continue this invasion war in other Russian colonies?'

Russian colonies?? USA and EU invasions??

And you tell me to wake up?? Please ...

List of Russian military bases abroad: you can count it with the fingers of your hands.

List of United States military bases: just a little bit more.....

Allies or invasion?

Why do you pro-Russian (anti US/EU) people have to post so much biased nonsense and lies if it's all that clear Russia is the good guy helping a country which is invaded by the west??

I mean... does someone ever tried to dubt about what mainstream is propaganding and give a chance the fact what was told to us was wrong?

This is an article from the american veterans blog (certainly not a Kremlin-owned media), but there are many others...

America’s Killing Fields Around the Globe





When you'll find something like that by russians, post it and we'll discuss about it.

You see, more biased nonsense ... killing fields. In 99% of all these countries no American soldier has to fire at the locals because they are allies. I don't see armed Americans in my streets killing neighbors.

And Defence spending, what is your point?? Maybe you would love to see Russia or China be the militairy dominant power?

better to be no one, but is not realistic

Or you read the article I linked in 5 minutes, or you're answering me without reading what I have to say.
Pardon me if I think this is the second case...

You have posted so much nonsense, if I had read it all I would have wasted way to much time of my life on biased crap. I understand your point, you made it already clear enough, even when you tried to hide it.

EDIT: and with you I mean not only you but all who keep posting the clearly biased info (links, videos, etc) and even lies to protect and justify the Russian part in this conflict.

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Ok but your poin isn't clear enough ot me... can you please tell it one more time???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

Russia spends more of his GDP for military than the US. Oops! :)

US bases all around the world and hardly any Russian one's are not a new fact. But what is your conclusion from that? What are the reasons?

Interesting article...written by a guy named Mohamed Khodr, and i've stopped after two phrases.

The same men who own and run Wall Street and the Federal Reserve Banks are of the same oligarchy that owns the U.S. media. Thus their single purpose is to enrich themselves, their cabal, and heavily influence and push the U.S. into wars, mainly for OIL and ISRAEL’s benefit.

In a rational, civilized, informed and civically involved populace such revelations would have led to a revolution against the powerful political, economic, and media elite who use the U.S. military and the lives of its young soldiers to launch foreign wars and devastation of nations for the benefit of a foreign nation, ISRAEL



All with capital letters, i guess this guy couldnt care less about the US, his article's target was something else...


Anyways, what are we talking about here? Russia f'cking up the ukraineans is legit because US has done it before many times?

As far as i know, that military expense includes all the NASA stuff, i guess those are not so cheap. Or maybe Hubble has some onboard nukes. Ohh and US searching the cosmos is a hidden plan, in fact they want to colonize all the universe with military bases and McDonalds's. Watch out ET, they're coming! :)

I almost started to give you some answers until I realized what you have written: 'and that doing this USA and UE won't continue this invasion war in other Russian colonies?'

Russian colonies?? USA and EU invasions??

And you tell me to wake up?? Please ...

OK,
do you realize that the sovereignty of some country is a "little" less strong than other, that their decisions are often justified or permitted by a more powerful country?
did ou ever realized that in international contexts (as UN council) some country vote ALWAYS as some other more powerful country?
did you ever ask yourself why it happens?

did you ever asked yourself why the weapon of the army of those country are always buyed from the more powerful ally?
did you ever notice how the companies from the more powerful country do often great business in those zones?

If you really don't accept it, that the tale of the sovereign and independent nations is just a tale..
well I think we are not in the same reality and we can't discuss anymore.

on the contrary, if you recognize it..
what can happen if a powerful country PAYS for creating a rebellion in a country controlled by another powerful country?
A civil war (where both sides are financed by foreign powers), and Ukraine is a perfect example of it.

who to blame?
what a stupid question? why should I prefer one from the occupier or the invader?

what to do? that's a good question. But facing reality.. not in your tales..
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