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Start reading news yourself then!!!!
I can't post Dutch news as you won't understand it. But the story all over the internet is the same and you would know if you read it yourself instead of telling me what not to do!!
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I can't post Dutch news as you won't understand it. But the story all over the internet is the same and you would know if you read it yourself instead of telling me what not to do!!
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The path of the plane originally did not cross rebel area. For some reason it was changed (by dispatcher in Kiev?). I smell a false flag:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-g9p9JmfnZUA/U8gxp1KxPNI/AAAAAAAAAH8/qg6sM5BuprU/w1000-h700-no/DNR_Boeng_Crash_2.gif
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-g9p9JmfnZUA/U8gxp1KxPNI/AAAAAAAAAH8/qg6sM5BuprU/w1000-h700-no/DNR_Boeng_Crash_2.gif
I don't want another ban so I won't post the words that comes in mind when I think of you, and even these words don't cover it. Today you have shown it again.
Your picture just confirms my picture. It was supposed to fly some 200 km more south but it flew more north. Why?
from official site of security service of ukraine:
Ask someone who knows a bit more about flight routes and why these routes change. This person will most likely give you a normal and common answer instead of your layman conspiracy crap. And if you didn't made this up yourself it is probably copied from somekind of pro-russia website, AGAIN!
All evidence points to your beloved pro-russian terrorist group who shot down a non-threatening passanger plane and killed nearly 300 people, with a surface-to-air missile. Whatever you try to make of it with your always ready lies, blaming Kiev, the pilots or who ever else you will come up with but didn't do it, it is clear enough already who did do it.
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All evidence points to your beloved pro-russian terrorist group who shot down a non-threatening passanger plane and killed nearly 300 people, with a surface-to-air missile. Whatever you try to make of it with your always ready lies, blaming Kiev, the pilots or who ever else you will come up with but didn't do it, it is clear enough already who did do it.
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Those guys may think they shot it down, maybe they shot at something, but not that plane:
As CNN (western media) reports:
"It takes a lot of training and a lot of coordination to fire one of these and hit something," he said.
Typically, a surface-to-air battery missile consists of a command post vehicle, a radar vehicle, several self-propelled launchers, loader vehicles and even more vehicles to carry new missiles to the batteries as necessary, according to Dan Wasserbly, Americas editor for IHS Jane's.
Ryan concludes then that if the plane really was shot down, a professional military force -- either on purpose or by accident -- was responsible.
"This is not the kind of weapon a couple of guys are going to pull out of a garage and fire," he said.
As CNN (western media) reports:
"It takes a lot of training and a lot of coordination to fire one of these and hit something," he said.
Typically, a surface-to-air battery missile consists of a command post vehicle, a radar vehicle, several self-propelled launchers, loader vehicles and even more vehicles to carry new missiles to the batteries as necessary, according to Dan Wasserbly, Americas editor for IHS Jane's.
Ryan concludes then that if the plane really was shot down, a professional military force -- either on purpose or by accident -- was responsible.
"This is not the kind of weapon a couple of guys are going to pull out of a garage and fire," he said.
And non of the pro-russia terrorists is an (ex) soldier?? And these pro-russia terrorists don't get any help from Russia??
Hello! Have you paid any attention last few months? A couple of guys are also not able to hold of a trained Ukrainian army, take controle of military bases, and shoot down a number of planes and helicopters past weeks, but they do .... this group of pro-russia terrorists is NOT just a couple of guys! You really couldn't figure this out yourself??
EDIT: and to correct that joker of that article: NO, ofcourse this surface-to-air missile system wasn't 'pulled out of a garage', only an idiot would claim that!! Most likely it came from a militairy base a couple of weeks ago (as they told the media themselves), or else from Russia like much of the other militairy stuff they use.
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Hello! Have you paid any attention last few months? A couple of guys are also not able to hold of a trained Ukrainian army, take controle of military bases, and shoot down a number of planes and helicopters past weeks, but they do .... this group of pro-russia terrorists is NOT just a couple of guys! You really couldn't figure this out yourself??
EDIT: and to correct that joker of that article: NO, ofcourse this surface-to-air missile system wasn't 'pulled out of a garage', only an idiot would claim that!! Most likely it came from a militairy base a couple of weeks ago (as they told the media themselves), or else from Russia like much of the other militairy stuff they use.
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Any SAM battery on the rebell area would be spotted by sattelites, a formation of vehicles like this one would certainly catch attention. No such reports were published until this day so I do not expect rebels have any operable SAM system. The one rocket launcher vehicle that they captured last month is completely useless without other supporting vehicles they did not have and especially without command vehicle and radar. Let's wait for the trajectory analysis of the missile.
Are you really going to continue with these made up stories, and not even good stories??
Why would they take 1 vehicle if 2 or 3 are needed and there for the taking?? Would you take 1 if you need all? ofcourse you take them all!! And as if a few smartly parked camouflaged vehicles (with camouflaged nets) in some bushes can be spotted by everyone from everywhere ... ofcourse, why camouflage all army vehicles if it's useless???? And hide these vehicles from site for a couple of weeks is ofcourse completely impossible for 3 small sized trucks .................... Besides, they are stationed on friendly ground, pro-Russian terrorist ground, would you tell the enemy the location of your friend's militaity installations? You wouldn't as you support them 100% even without living there! Now you can stop this show, people have to be really stupid to fall for those posts.
Is it really that hard to be critical about your terrorist friends for ones? I know, you have defended and supported them for so long and so hard without any doubt, but now that some doubt is in place because 300 innocent people died, you apparently are to blinded, obstinated and/or stubborn to admit they could be wrong. Completely drowned in your ideology.
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Why would they take 1 vehicle if 2 or 3 are needed and there for the taking?? Would you take 1 if you need all? ofcourse you take them all!! And as if a few smartly parked camouflaged vehicles (with camouflaged nets) in some bushes can be spotted by everyone from everywhere ... ofcourse, why camouflage all army vehicles if it's useless???? And hide these vehicles from site for a couple of weeks is ofcourse completely impossible for 3 small sized trucks .................... Besides, they are stationed on friendly ground, pro-Russian terrorist ground, would you tell the enemy the location of your friend's militaity installations? You wouldn't as you support them 100% even without living there! Now you can stop this show, people have to be really stupid to fall for those posts.
Is it really that hard to be critical about your terrorist friends for ones? I know, you have defended and supported them for so long and so hard without any doubt, but now that some doubt is in place because 300 innocent people died, you apparently are to blinded, obstinated and/or stubborn to admit they could be wrong. Completely drowned in your ideology.
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I am not one drowned in ideology. I say, let's wait for the results of missile trajectory first.
"The Ukrainian military has several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers, capable of bringing down high-flying jets, in the Donetsk region where the Malaysian passenger plane crashed, Russian Defense Ministry said."
"The Ukrainian military has several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers, capable of bringing down high-flying jets, in the Donetsk region where the Malaysian passenger plane crashed, Russian Defense Ministry said."
As for the "proof of evidence" video:
http://gmorder.livejournal.com/1113736.html
There is what gmorder has revealed is either a clearly erroneous creation timestamp, or the video was actually uploaded yesterday.
The purported smoking gun is "revealed" in the second section which begins 43 seconds and lasting one minute in between a "Major" and "Grek" who are also allegedly Russian rebels. It is here that the conversation goes into explicit detail describing the contents of the downed airplane, and makes it clear that it is a civilian airplane, describing the civilian carnage, and stopping just why of naming this a Malaysian Airlines flight.
This is the key segment as it explicitly makes it clear that the plane the alleged separatists in the first part were talking about was not the Su-25 but MH 17. The only problem is that there is absolutely no way to confirm who "Major" and "Grek" are, and considering the entire Ukraine civil war has been merely one provocation and counter-provocation after another, explicitly staged in advance by either the CIA on the side of Kiev or the Kremlin on the Russian side, one does have to wonder whether the said two "smoking gun" participants aren't merely two random people speaking Russian and reading off a script?
The clip concludes with another unnamed "Militant" who supposedly is speaking to Mykola Kozitsyn, one of the purported leaders of the Cossacks operating in east Ukraine. The Militant makes it clear to Kozitsyn that it is not a military plane and has "Malaysian Airlines" written on the side. One wonders just where one could find such writing on the side of the crashed and exploded fuselage but that one is for the forensics to decide.
And yet, something here smells very fishy...
First, the Russian version of the clip which was released in parallel, and shown below, there is a major discrepancy in the time stamp, with the English-dubbed version showing the conversation between Major and Grek taking place at 5:11 pm and 5:32 pm, while the original one has it at 4:33 pm, 5:14 pm and 5:32 pm.
http://youtu.be/NwtxBA1m9x8
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http://gmorder.livejournal.com/1113736.html
There is what gmorder has revealed is either a clearly erroneous creation timestamp, or the video was actually uploaded yesterday.
The purported smoking gun is "revealed" in the second section which begins 43 seconds and lasting one minute in between a "Major" and "Grek" who are also allegedly Russian rebels. It is here that the conversation goes into explicit detail describing the contents of the downed airplane, and makes it clear that it is a civilian airplane, describing the civilian carnage, and stopping just why of naming this a Malaysian Airlines flight.
This is the key segment as it explicitly makes it clear that the plane the alleged separatists in the first part were talking about was not the Su-25 but MH 17. The only problem is that there is absolutely no way to confirm who "Major" and "Grek" are, and considering the entire Ukraine civil war has been merely one provocation and counter-provocation after another, explicitly staged in advance by either the CIA on the side of Kiev or the Kremlin on the Russian side, one does have to wonder whether the said two "smoking gun" participants aren't merely two random people speaking Russian and reading off a script?
The clip concludes with another unnamed "Militant" who supposedly is speaking to Mykola Kozitsyn, one of the purported leaders of the Cossacks operating in east Ukraine. The Militant makes it clear to Kozitsyn that it is not a military plane and has "Malaysian Airlines" written on the side. One wonders just where one could find such writing on the side of the crashed and exploded fuselage but that one is for the forensics to decide.
And yet, something here smells very fishy...
First, the Russian version of the clip which was released in parallel, and shown below, there is a major discrepancy in the time stamp, with the English-dubbed version showing the conversation between Major and Grek taking place at 5:11 pm and 5:32 pm, while the original one has it at 4:33 pm, 5:14 pm and 5:32 pm.
http://youtu.be/NwtxBA1m9x8
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I am not one drowned in ideology.
Yes you are, don't lie. Why else do you post again if you first posted 'wait for the results'?
I say, let's wait for the results of missile trajectory first.
Mm, you need an awful lot of words for that, in fact, if I look at that next post of yours you say a lot more then that, again :/ Looks a lot like NOT waiting for the results and posting more new pro-Russia terrorist BS (copied again from your favorite websites?)!
And the only thing you 'prove' with those posts is that I'm right about you and your ideology, and I forgot to add the word 'heartless'. Do others from your rl also know what kind of .... things you are posting on this forum, or do you hide that part for others?
"The Ukrainian military has several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers, capable of bringing down high-flying jets, in the Donetsk region where the Malaysian passenger plane crashed, Russian Defense Ministry said."
How many planes do the pro-russian terrorist have, for which the Ukrainian army have to use their BUK's?? Still not thinking for yourself, do you? Or are you doing this all on purpose?
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Yes you are, don't lie. Why else do you post again if you first posted 'wait for the results'?
I say, let's wait for the results of missile trajectory first.
Mm, you need an awful lot of words for that, in fact, if I look at that next post of yours you say a lot more then that, again :/ Looks a lot like NOT waiting for the results and posting more new pro-Russia terrorist BS (copied again from your favorite websites?)!
And the only thing you 'prove' with those posts is that I'm right about you and your ideology, and I forgot to add the word 'heartless'. Do others from your rl also know what kind of .... things you are posting on this forum, or do you hide that part for others?
"The Ukrainian military has several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers, capable of bringing down high-flying jets, in the Donetsk region where the Malaysian passenger plane crashed, Russian Defense Ministry said."
How many planes do the pro-russian terrorist have, for which the Ukrainian army have to use their BUK's?? Still not thinking for yourself, do you? Or are you doing this all on purpose?
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