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I dont know what the word "propaganda" means exactly, I am not typical western guy :-DD, so I can not answer.
I'll try again:
the musulms
Do you have any idea when you talk about 'the musilms' how many people you are talking about?? over 2 billion people! Do you really think you can call 2 billion people 'the muslims' ??
And another thing, Hitler was talking about 'the Jews', the KKK about 'the blacks', is this the new group of people; 'the Muslims' ??
the musulms
Do you have any idea when you talk about 'the musilms' how many people you are talking about?? over 2 billion people! Do you really think you can call 2 billion people 'the muslims' ??
And another thing, Hitler was talking about 'the Jews', the KKK about 'the blacks', is this the new group of people; 'the Muslims' ??
I dont see any provocations by gabber.
Ofcourse not ... But I do. He is almost never active on the forum, just some nonsense now and then, but the moment 300 people are killed (200 Dutch!) he starts posting pages full of pro-Russian propaganda BS based on nothing.
Ofcourse not ... But I do. He is almost never active on the forum, just some nonsense now and then, but the moment 300 people are killed (200 Dutch!) he starts posting pages full of pro-Russian propaganda BS based on nothing.
Gabber maybe posted another reality, not biased one and you call it nonsense and propaganda. your problem is, that even if you can see the facts, you will not open your eyes. That is why you feel angry, but if you just try open your eyes, your life will became much better :-)
Russia is not an aggressor. But Russia together with Asia own maybe 75% of resources, so they dont need act aggressively like US or west part of EU. They can just defend itself. On the other hand, US and west part of EU can not crush Russia so they need persuade all the world that Russia is bad :-).
Take a time and write down on the list the names of countries which were attacked by russia and then by US or EU. Just comapare it and open eyes.
Write down life condition in iraq or lybia before being crushed and now, and open your eyes.
Russia is not an aggressor. But Russia together with Asia own maybe 75% of resources, so they dont need act aggressively like US or west part of EU. They can just defend itself. On the other hand, US and west part of EU can not crush Russia so they need persuade all the world that Russia is bad :-).
Take a time and write down on the list the names of countries which were attacked by russia and then by US or EU. Just comapare it and open eyes.
Write down life condition in iraq or lybia before being crushed and now, and open your eyes.
1. Ukraine government killed 300 innocent people by shooting down that plane.
2. Ukrainian government has EU and US support (weapons, money, people).
3. Russia is angry cos such a attacks are really disgusting and ask for examination and punishment.
Why are you angry on Russia and not on EU/US decision. Why you dont told anything bad on Ukraine coup which is now in the power there ?? Tell me this!
2. Ukrainian government has EU and US support (weapons, money, people).
3. Russia is angry cos such a attacks are really disgusting and ask for examination and punishment.
Why are you angry on Russia and not on EU/US decision. Why you dont told anything bad on Ukraine coup which is now in the power there ?? Tell me this!
, that even if you can see the facts, you will not open your eyes.
please, it is clear who seems to be the killer of these 300 people, the pro-russian terrorists. If you really keep posting that it is not then something is wrong with you. I really don't understand how you can post this .... it is really nonsense. Just wait and see when even more results will come. I expect you won't accept the outcome if it is your group who are the killers (they are!!) because that's already the case at this moment. But no one will ever be able to convince conspiracy believers like you and peole like you.
From the moment it happened the terrorist are trying everything they can to block the investigation, why? Because they are innocent?? Because they want the world stand on their side of this fight??
And that last post of yours, all pro-russian website crap! you defend terrorists who just killed 300 people ...
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please, it is clear who seems to be the killer of these 300 people, the pro-russian terrorists. If you really keep posting that it is not then something is wrong with you. I really don't understand how you can post this .... it is really nonsense. Just wait and see when even more results will come. I expect you won't accept the outcome if it is your group who are the killers (they are!!) because that's already the case at this moment. But no one will ever be able to convince conspiracy believers like you and peole like you.
From the moment it happened the terrorist are trying everything they can to block the investigation, why? Because they are innocent?? Because they want the world stand on their side of this fight??
And that last post of yours, all pro-russian website crap! you defend terrorists who just killed 300 people ...
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It's so cute how you believe that your sources are not vulnerable for propaganda and are the one and only truth while news or media from other coutries is made off propaganda...
You are really that naive Rumpil ? Then you are exactley all the things you blame charles for... You see the irony in that ? I do :D
You are really that naive Rumpil ? Then you are exactley all the things you blame charles for... You see the irony in that ? I do :D
Weak man argument to just turn around question, I love it! And no I am not foolish enough to believe everything anykind of news or media try's to tell me. Unlike you and many others who just believe in the fairytale that there media and news is not propaganda and all other media from other countries are propaganda.
You will be disappointed but I didnt read or watch media last weeks, I dont have times, my sources are different this month :-).
So I really dont know what mainsteam biased media or "outstream" are broadcasting :-).
So I really dont know what mainsteam biased media or "outstream" are broadcasting :-).
It does not really matter were you get your news from everbody uses propaganda for there own political agenda.
You clearly stated that you believe Ukraine shot the planes therself. That is proof enough that you clearly have fallen for some good old fashion sovjet propaganda. It s way to soon to take conclusions like that. It s so obvious yet impossible to see if you are vulnereble for any kind of propaganda from either russia side or EU/USA.
You should regconize that there is also the possibilty the separist shot down the plane instead of what your saying. Anyway I will keep all options open untill there has been done more researching. Because I will not be missleaded by any kind of propaganda;).
You clearly stated that you believe Ukraine shot the planes therself. That is proof enough that you clearly have fallen for some good old fashion sovjet propaganda. It s way to soon to take conclusions like that. It s so obvious yet impossible to see if you are vulnereble for any kind of propaganda from either russia side or EU/USA.
You should regconize that there is also the possibilty the separist shot down the plane instead of what your saying. Anyway I will keep all options open untill there has been done more researching. Because I will not be missleaded by any kind of propaganda;).
you have bad information, that is all :-)
You will be disappointed but I didnt read or watch media last weeks, I dont have times,
What? So ....... you just post pro-russian terrorist nonsense based on absolutely nothing, other then the crap your friends are posting in this topic? You just repeat them as a parrot without being able to check it yourself?? Not that it would change a thing if your where able to check your crappy websites, the nonsense would be exactly the same. But it would be completely 'hilarious' if you are nothing more as a parrot. The ultimate prove of trolling ....
If this is the case, then it 'Funny as hell' to know it absolutely doesn't matter if you do or do not have access to media, apparently you will post the same BS. What does that say about your media sources if you are able to write the same bull without even knowing what is really happening, and what does it say about you believing that brainless nonsense???
And you tell me I have bad info?? You apparently have nothing :/ So what are you posting then??
You will be disappointed but I didnt read or watch media last weeks, I dont have times,
What? So ....... you just post pro-russian terrorist nonsense based on absolutely nothing, other then the crap your friends are posting in this topic? You just repeat them as a parrot without being able to check it yourself?? Not that it would change a thing if your where able to check your crappy websites, the nonsense would be exactly the same. But it would be completely 'hilarious' if you are nothing more as a parrot. The ultimate prove of trolling ....
If this is the case, then it 'Funny as hell' to know it absolutely doesn't matter if you do or do not have access to media, apparently you will post the same BS. What does that say about your media sources if you are able to write the same bull without even knowing what is really happening, and what does it say about you believing that brainless nonsense???
And you tell me I have bad info?? You apparently have nothing :/ So what are you posting then??
that you clearly have fallen for some good old fashion sovjet propaganda.
As I dont read/watch news a lot now... I can not be sure, but what I hear from the people around Russia did not blame Ukraine forces, they just stated that it was on Ukraine territory so they had to be responsible and I had to agree with this.
But...if russia did not blame UK forces, it can not be part of sovjet propaganda :-)
As I dont read/watch news a lot now... I can not be sure, but what I hear from the people around Russia did not blame Ukraine forces, they just stated that it was on Ukraine territory so they had to be responsible and I had to agree with this.
But...if russia did not blame UK forces, it can not be part of sovjet propaganda :-)
This offer was for 94%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit
and later we offer 97%
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/29/abbas-passed-on-a-west-bank-state/
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If you want give territory for own state to somebody, you can not give him unacceptable conditions :-D. This is ridiculous.
This your links says that Israel can have there an army on that territory and that they will have own independent buildings rights there , so they can build anything and anywhere if they will need it.
This is not a deal :-). This is crap story for media :-) and it is obvious that Palestine refuse it.
What if Hamas give you a deal that they will not need own state, that they will accept Isreal for ever, but voting rights wil have just muslims, could you call such a shit "DEAL" :-D ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit
and later we offer 97%
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/29/abbas-passed-on-a-west-bank-state/
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If you want give territory for own state to somebody, you can not give him unacceptable conditions :-D. This is ridiculous.
This your links says that Israel can have there an army on that territory and that they will have own independent buildings rights there , so they can build anything and anywhere if they will need it.
This is not a deal :-). This is crap story for media :-) and it is obvious that Palestine refuse it.
What if Hamas give you a deal that they will not need own state, that they will accept Isreal for ever, but voting rights wil have just muslims, could you call such a shit "DEAL" :-D ?
Your missing the point. But nevermind you wont stop believing your own crazy stories anyway so.