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Your missing the point. But nevermind you wont stop believing your own crazy stories anyway so.
how can I ?
The truth is truth, no matter if somebody like it or not :-)
The truth is truth, no matter if somebody like it or not :-)
And why are the terrorist destroying the 'truth' of the attack?? With your logic to help the Ukrainian army to cover up the army took down a plane???? Yeh right!
And what do you know about the truth if you don't even know what is really happening?? You just told that you don't even have access to media, let alone the 'truth'.
And what do you know about the truth if you don't even know what is really happening?? You just told that you don't even have access to media, let alone the 'truth'.
And why are the terrorist destroying the 'truth' of the attack??
Maybe your media make bad translation, and UK army is destroying proves. Did they find out who changed plane route ?
How can this be so hard to find out :-) ??
Current media is not saying us the truth, they are saying us just what they have ordered by owners. So you should maybe find another information resources too :-)
Maybe your media make bad translation, and UK army is destroying proves. Did they find out who changed plane route ?
How can this be so hard to find out :-) ??
Current media is not saying us the truth, they are saying us just what they have ordered by owners. So you should maybe find another information resources too :-)
Why they have changed it? To fly a passanger plane towards a region controlled by pro-russian terrorists so they can use the BUK to shoot down that plane? Are you really going to believe a plane flew towards a place so it can be shot down?? If so, then you have used way to much drugs and alcohol in your life!
You see, you take 1 thing and try to use that as 'evidence' and in the process even come up with complete crap like UK army active in pro-russian terrorist territory. This is a typical propaganda tactic. You are really an easy victim for them! Living in the 'west' and still falling for that nonsense.
It is clear you have no idea what has happened and what is already known, you are just provocing and trolling without any knowledge.
EDIT: I was wondering, looking at the number of smiles you are using in posts, do you think it is funny to provoke people who are angry and sad over the loss of 300 innocent people that are killed? It looks like you think this is all a big joke, you are even making things up yourself to troll and provoke even more. I thought you called yourself a person who cares about human lives ... obviously that comment about yourself was a big fat lie. If I'm right I haven't seen a single post about the 300 dead people from you so far, only defending pro-russian terrorist crap. And is this how a person who claims to care so much about human lives should behave, because I think it doesn't even come close to being such a person while posting all that nonsense and provocations.
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You see, you take 1 thing and try to use that as 'evidence' and in the process even come up with complete crap like UK army active in pro-russian terrorist territory. This is a typical propaganda tactic. You are really an easy victim for them! Living in the 'west' and still falling for that nonsense.
It is clear you have no idea what has happened and what is already known, you are just provocing and trolling without any knowledge.
EDIT: I was wondering, looking at the number of smiles you are using in posts, do you think it is funny to provoke people who are angry and sad over the loss of 300 innocent people that are killed? It looks like you think this is all a big joke, you are even making things up yourself to troll and provoke even more. I thought you called yourself a person who cares about human lives ... obviously that comment about yourself was a big fat lie. If I'm right I haven't seen a single post about the 300 dead people from you so far, only defending pro-russian terrorist crap. And is this how a person who claims to care so much about human lives should behave, because I think it doesn't even come close to being such a person while posting all that nonsense and provocations.
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1. Ukraine government killed 300 innocent people by shooting down that plane.
2. Ukrainian government has EU and US support (weapons, money, people).
3. Russia is angry cos such a attacks are really disgusting and ask for examination and punishment.
1 How? You know something about bord number? Like a IME of your phone. Or maybe Ukraine doesn't have radars?
2 Mostly I like people)) Yes! We got a lot US marines a NATO forces here)) Especially on Maidan))
Before: terrorists posts photos of "Buk" on social networks and tweeter. When shot: they anonce that they have shot a Ukrainian military-plain. When known: photos and posts are deleted, "it was not us!"
3 Actually territory of crush is under terrorists control and they work with RUSSIA! And you can find on russian sites many info that it was ukrainina that shot the plain and even that plain was full of already dead bodies and it's a EU provocation against russia.
you know how to read
2. Ukrainian government has EU and US support (weapons, money, people).
3. Russia is angry cos such a attacks are really disgusting and ask for examination and punishment.
1 How? You know something about bord number? Like a IME of your phone. Or maybe Ukraine doesn't have radars?
2 Mostly I like people)) Yes! We got a lot US marines a NATO forces here)) Especially on Maidan))
Before: terrorists posts photos of "Buk" on social networks and tweeter. When shot: they anonce that they have shot a Ukrainian military-plain. When known: photos and posts are deleted, "it was not us!"
3 Actually territory of crush is under terrorists control and they work with RUSSIA! And you can find on russian sites many info that it was ukrainina that shot the plain and even that plain was full of already dead bodies and it's a EU provocation against russia.
you know how to read
some time i think that you use your ( )( ) instead of your brain… but maybe you just love Putin!? and if it's so bad in Europe, fascists everywhere, corruption and crimes, why don't You go in so lovely and perfect Russia where Your lovely Putin will protect You against all this EU-US hypocrite?
We all know that Your sources all the only informed and says only truth! But why don't You take Your as out of Your chair? Take a car and bring some provision to citizen of "rebel" region! They are not terrorist's, remember? They'll appreciate Your move and You'll bring back truth back with You! Maybe some real photo, not ukrainian fakes. And You shut-up Charly and me whit this "unbreakable truth"!
We all know that Your sources all the only informed and says only truth! But why don't You take Your as out of Your chair? Take a car and bring some provision to citizen of "rebel" region! They are not terrorist's, remember? They'll appreciate Your move and You'll bring back truth back with You! Maybe some real photo, not ukrainian fakes. And You shut-up Charly and me whit this "unbreakable truth"!
EDIT: I was wondering, looking at the number of smiles you are using in posts, do you think it is funny to provoke people who are angry and sad over the loss of 300 innocent people that are killed?
Now I remember why I quit this forum! When You take a discussion which an idiot, it's like trying to dig in a mood! More You dig, more dirt comes. Better to leave it alone and stop waisting your time. It will not shane it's believe.
Now I remember why I quit this forum! When You take a discussion which an idiot, it's like trying to dig in a mood! More You dig, more dirt comes. Better to leave it alone and stop waisting your time. It will not shane it's believe.
3. Russia is angry cos such a attacks are really disgusting and ask for examination and punishment.
This one made me smile :) Anyways, one more time guys, please dont insult each other, everyone has the right to have an opinion, no matter how sick it is.
This one made me smile :) Anyways, one more time guys, please dont insult each other, everyone has the right to have an opinion, no matter how sick it is.
i got a version! it was Sith empire who attacked the plain! it was a just a try shot from a Death Star before they attack Earth! And everything that happened it's they try to divert attention organithed by three dark jedi Merkel, Obama and Putin! Rumpil is the only one who can receive vibration in the force field and only he can save human nation from destruction by Sith!
We must help Rumpil to get a shuttle and go on a frontier of or galaxy to fight with Sith Lord.
We must help Rumpil to get a shuttle and go on a frontier of or galaxy to fight with Sith Lord.
Sorry man, I am still convinced Ukie forces around Minister of Interior did it:
"Ukrainian Su-25 fighter recorded in close approach to MH17 before crash - Russian military"
This info confirms the claim in tweets by spanish guy I posted few days ago. I am anxious to see communication with the plane - we won't see it until black box is checked because Ukie secret service took the records from the Kiev tower...
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"Ukrainian Su-25 fighter recorded in close approach to MH17 before crash - Russian military"
This info confirms the claim in tweets by spanish guy I posted few days ago. I am anxious to see communication with the plane - we won't see it until black box is checked because Ukie secret service took the records from the Kiev tower...
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A good summary of last weeks/days. Keep in mind, all happened above the territory in controle of the pro-russian terrorists (!!). Not even pro-russia terrorist propaganda can deny this:
United States Assessment of the Downing of Flight MH17 and its Aftermath
We assess that Flight MH17 was likely downed by a SA-11 surface-to-air missile from separatist-controlled territory in eastern Ukraine. We base this judgment on several factors.
Over the past month, we have detected an increasing amount of heavy weaponry to separatist fighters crossing the border from Russia into Ukraine. Last weekend, Russia sent a convoy of military equipment with up to 150 vehicles including tanks, armored personnel carriers, artillery, and multiple rocket launchers to the separatist. We also have information indicating that Russia is providing training to separatist fighters at a facility in southwest Russia, and this effort included training on air defense systems.
Pro-Russian separatist fighters have demonstrated proficiency with surface-to-air missile systems and have downed more than a dozen aircraft over the past few months, including two large transport aircraft.
At the time that flight MH17 dropped out of contact, we detected a surface-to-air missile (SAM) launch from a separatist-controlled area in southeastern Ukraine. We believe this missile was an SA-11.
Intercepts of separatist communications posted on YouTube by the Ukrainian government indicate the separatists were in possession of a SA-11 system as early as Monday July 14th. In the intercepts, the separatists made repeated references to having and repositioning Buk (SA-11) systems.
Social media postings on Thursday show an SA-11 system traveling through the separatist-controlled towns of Torez and Snizhne, near the crash site and assessed location of the SAM launch. From this location, the SA-11 has the range and altitude capability to have shot down flight MH17.
Ukraine also operates SA-11 systems, but we are confident no Ukrainian air defense systems were within range of the crash. Ukrainian forces have also not fired a single surface-to-air missile during the conflict, despite often complaining about violations of their airspace by Russian military aircraft.
Shortly after the crash, separatists – including the self-proclaimed “Defense Minister” of the Donetsk People’s Republic Igor Strelkov – claimed responsibility for shooting down a military transport plane on social media.
In an intercepted conversation that has been widely posted on the internet, a known-separatist leader tells another person that a separatist faction downed the aircraft. After it became evident that the plane was a civilian airliner, separatists deleted social media posts boasting about shooting down a plane and possessing a Buk (SA-11) SAM system.
Audio data provided to the press by the Ukrainian security service was evaluated by Intelligence Community analysts who confirmed these were authentic conversations between known separatist leaders, based on comparing the Ukraine-released internet audio to recordings of known separatists.
Video posted on social media yesterday show an SA-11 on a transporter traveling through the Krasnodon are back to Russia. The video indicated the system was missing at least one missile, suggesting it had conducted a launch.
Events on the ground at the crash site clearly demonstrate that separatists are in full control of the area.
This US statement has been posted on the website: http://ukraine.usembassy.gov/statements/asmt-07192014.html]ukraine.usembassy.gov
United States Assessment of the Downing of Flight MH17 and its Aftermath
We assess that Flight MH17 was likely downed by a SA-11 surface-to-air missile from separatist-controlled territory in eastern Ukraine. We base this judgment on several factors.
Over the past month, we have detected an increasing amount of heavy weaponry to separatist fighters crossing the border from Russia into Ukraine. Last weekend, Russia sent a convoy of military equipment with up to 150 vehicles including tanks, armored personnel carriers, artillery, and multiple rocket launchers to the separatist. We also have information indicating that Russia is providing training to separatist fighters at a facility in southwest Russia, and this effort included training on air defense systems.
Pro-Russian separatist fighters have demonstrated proficiency with surface-to-air missile systems and have downed more than a dozen aircraft over the past few months, including two large transport aircraft.
At the time that flight MH17 dropped out of contact, we detected a surface-to-air missile (SAM) launch from a separatist-controlled area in southeastern Ukraine. We believe this missile was an SA-11.
Intercepts of separatist communications posted on YouTube by the Ukrainian government indicate the separatists were in possession of a SA-11 system as early as Monday July 14th. In the intercepts, the separatists made repeated references to having and repositioning Buk (SA-11) systems.
Social media postings on Thursday show an SA-11 system traveling through the separatist-controlled towns of Torez and Snizhne, near the crash site and assessed location of the SAM launch. From this location, the SA-11 has the range and altitude capability to have shot down flight MH17.
Ukraine also operates SA-11 systems, but we are confident no Ukrainian air defense systems were within range of the crash. Ukrainian forces have also not fired a single surface-to-air missile during the conflict, despite often complaining about violations of their airspace by Russian military aircraft.
Shortly after the crash, separatists – including the self-proclaimed “Defense Minister” of the Donetsk People’s Republic Igor Strelkov – claimed responsibility for shooting down a military transport plane on social media.
In an intercepted conversation that has been widely posted on the internet, a known-separatist leader tells another person that a separatist faction downed the aircraft. After it became evident that the plane was a civilian airliner, separatists deleted social media posts boasting about shooting down a plane and possessing a Buk (SA-11) SAM system.
Audio data provided to the press by the Ukrainian security service was evaluated by Intelligence Community analysts who confirmed these were authentic conversations between known separatist leaders, based on comparing the Ukraine-released internet audio to recordings of known separatists.
Video posted on social media yesterday show an SA-11 on a transporter traveling through the Krasnodon are back to Russia. The video indicated the system was missing at least one missile, suggesting it had conducted a launch.
Events on the ground at the crash site clearly demonstrate that separatists are in full control of the area.
This US statement has been posted on the website: http://ukraine.usembassy.gov/statements/asmt-07192014.html]ukraine.usembassy.gov
Russian military ©
"today around 13.30 in the area was recorded n.p.Snezhnoe column terrorists.
The convoy was 3 tanks, two armored personnel carriers, truck with militants and a truck with a heavy machine gun. And also - car truck with gun carriage, which transported air defense system "Buk".
The column was moving towards n.p.Dmitrovka." dated 17.07.14
IFF - Identification friend or foe
but if moved in territory of other country will determinate any aircraft ass foe.
Will it be a firs aircraft shot by "rebels"? Does plain that flight from Netherlands trough territory of Ukraine maybe not recognized on radars? If SU-25, piloted by a blind pilot that can't recognize commercial aircraft from military?
Ruusian… There was no russian military in Crimea, there is no russian in Luhansk and Donietsk, there is no russian vehicles and other supply provided by russia to LNDR and DNR?
To sup Charli
13.07.14 Luhansk
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"today around 13.30 in the area was recorded n.p.Snezhnoe column terrorists.
The convoy was 3 tanks, two armored personnel carriers, truck with militants and a truck with a heavy machine gun. And also - car truck with gun carriage, which transported air defense system "Buk".
The column was moving towards n.p.Dmitrovka." dated 17.07.14
IFF - Identification friend or foe
but if moved in territory of other country will determinate any aircraft ass foe.
Will it be a firs aircraft shot by "rebels"? Does plain that flight from Netherlands trough territory of Ukraine maybe not recognized on radars? If SU-25, piloted by a blind pilot that can't recognize commercial aircraft from military?
Ruusian… There was no russian military in Crimea, there is no russian in Luhansk and Donietsk, there is no russian vehicles and other supply provided by russia to LNDR and DNR?
To sup Charli
13.07.14 Luhansk
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I use smiles cos I like smile :-)
And also reading your statements are quite funny for me :-)
And also reading your statements are quite funny for me :-)
It is true, that I think that Russia made a big step ahead under Putin. But... Russia is not country where I would like live in :-).
It is also true that I feel ashamed for war activities made by EU.
If I would go to Ukraine on my car, I would not get too far cos there are thousands of people who want to be alive and not killed by UK army after they refuse serve them, so they would beg me to take them away and save their lifes. So I would not have a chance to help to people on the east.
It is also true that I feel ashamed for war activities made by EU.
If I would go to Ukraine on my car, I would not get too far cos there are thousands of people who want to be alive and not killed by UK army after they refuse serve them, so they would beg me to take them away and save their lifes. So I would not have a chance to help to people on the east.