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Yeah, so what?
What do you expect from a proud country like Russia? To bend over 90° while we fu.......
ok, I won't be rude, but I think you've got it...
And good luck for this winter! We'll be very warm with the american shale gas....
What do you expect from a proud country like Russia? To bend over 90° while we fu.......
ok, I won't be rude, but I think you've got it...
And good luck for this winter! We'll be very warm with the american shale gas....
USA does not even produce enough natural gas for itself, the pipeline is outdated and in the winter the companies are forced to heat up with electricity, because there's just not enough natural gas for both people and businesses. Good luck with expensive liquified gas.
Russians want examine black boxes and reveal satelite pictures...but this is not real prove...
EU and US have real prove, this russian soldier, "sitting around, working on a buk, listening to music" is prove, that russian soldier are operating in Ukraine !!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2711722/The-Russian-soldier-selfie-obsession-prove-Putin-operating-Ukraine-Comms-officer-operates-kit-like-used-MH17-accidentally-reveals-border.html
Everybody can see, that I am able post also EU facts and proves if I find them. So I am not onesided. Now I had to say...yes, russians are there :-D !
EU and US have real prove, this russian soldier, "sitting around, working on a buk, listening to music" is prove, that russian soldier are operating in Ukraine !!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2711722/The-Russian-soldier-selfie-obsession-prove-Putin-operating-Ukraine-Comms-officer-operates-kit-like-used-MH17-accidentally-reveals-border.html
Everybody can see, that I am able post also EU facts and proves if I find them. So I am not onesided. Now I had to say...yes, russians are there :-D !
Its strange way to show country proudness by lame lies or excuses from organisation which is presumed to be apolitical. Its more signature by failed states.
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lol, again little or no understanding.. I highlighted the reason russia gave for this laughable and predictable to the bones reaction... russia bans polish imports as it suits them, since at least 2004...
As for the gas... don't forget that it works both ways... if russia were to stop supplying gas to some eu country, they would in fact cut off their main source of income... and don't forget, in comparison economically russia is relatively poor, EU is roughly 7 times richer, germany alone is almost twice as rich as russia, so if EU acts and reacts collectively - which so far they/we do..., it will always be russia who will end up in more trouble. And if you go to those abstract extremes, I would rather eat more apples ;-p, and be colder than have another ww.
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As for the gas... don't forget that it works both ways... if russia were to stop supplying gas to some eu country, they would in fact cut off their main source of income... and don't forget, in comparison economically russia is relatively poor, EU is roughly 7 times richer, germany alone is almost twice as rich as russia, so if EU acts and reacts collectively - which so far they/we do..., it will always be russia who will end up in more trouble. And if you go to those abstract extremes, I would rather eat more apples ;-p, and be colder than have another ww.
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EU will suffer much more than Russia.... we will see, unfortunately :-(
A Russian Soldier's Instagram Posts May Be The Clearest Indication Of Moscow's Involvement In East Ukraine
So guess the other indications reliability ........ -__-
So guess the other indications reliability ........ -__-
Question: is your definition of "terrorist" the same as the Lyashko's one?
You voted for the referendum = you terrorist!
(his the deputy leader of the ukrainian radical party, and gathered over 8% in last elections...)
You voted for the referendum = you terrorist!
(his the deputy leader of the ukrainian radical party, and gathered over 8% in last elections...)
While maybe this guy fit way better your definition of democracy...
Rapid translate:
(Bogdan Butkievich, ukrainian journalist)
"Not only Donbas is a depressed region with a lot of problems, there also are a lot of totaly useles people. In Donetsk regions there are about 4 milions people: not less then 1.5 milion are trash. I mean... we don't need to understand Donbas, we need to understand ukrainian national interest. We must use Donbas like a resource. I don't know how to make it quickly, but the most important is to make it as soon as possible. Doesn't matter how difficult it could seem, but there's a group of people who just must be killed."
Rapid translate:
(Bogdan Butkievich, ukrainian journalist)
"Not only Donbas is a depressed region with a lot of problems, there also are a lot of totaly useles people. In Donetsk regions there are about 4 milions people: not less then 1.5 milion are trash. I mean... we don't need to understand Donbas, we need to understand ukrainian national interest. We must use Donbas like a resource. I don't know how to make it quickly, but the most important is to make it as soon as possible. Doesn't matter how difficult it could seem, but there's a group of people who just must be killed."
Video
Malaysia Airlines MH17: Michael Bociurkiw talks about being first at the crash site
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-mh17-michael-bociurkiw-talks-about-being-first-at-the-crash-site-1.2721007?cmp=rss&partner=sky
he saw on that place something like holes after machinge gun fire.....
Malaysia Airlines MH17: Michael Bociurkiw talks about being first at the crash site
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-mh17-michael-bociurkiw-talks-about-being-first-at-the-crash-site-1.2721007?cmp=rss&partner=sky
he saw on that place something like holes after machinge gun fire.....
it can be just conspire talkings...but I post it... nothing more :-)
Beside, I also think the west is isolating himself from the rest of the world...
The west? What's "the west" for you?
The west? What's "the west" for you?
I meant the "western" countries lead by US and followed by its G7 dogs.
I certainly wasn't talking about south american countries, wich now have all my respect for the withdraw of their ambassadors from Tel Aviv.
I certainly wasn't talking about south american countries, wich now have all my respect for the withdraw of their ambassadors from Tel Aviv.
@rumpil
- no, fortunately.
That is if, you dumb down this discussion to your opinion without any argument whatsoever.
@diamanti
- as usual, lost in the woods... I can't even begin to anwser to your nonsense...
but here is an article with some facts... about the shooting down a civilian airplane... which you might have missed, and just to be clear, none of it is "my opinion", or "my definition of terrorism".. these are facts which you can reject without thinking and argue against... or simply: check for yourself, if truth and not nonsense or worse propaganda is what you are interested in, good luck...
Today we can be sure what happened to the Boeing 777 flying on July 17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. When it was flying over the area controlled by pro-Russian separatists, it was hit by anti-aircraft missile system BUK. International experts from the UK and the Netherlands will not tell us who fired it, after analyzing the black box recording or examining the remains of the machine. Because they are not able to do that - they can only confirm that the cause of the tragedy was a: missile ground-to-air.
The question, to whom the system belonged, who gave the order, and who pressed the button that fired the rocket, is the most important one. Only the foreign intelligence cooperating with Ukrainian special services after analyzing data from the satellites, radar reconnaissance, eavesdropping conversations or reports of their agents can anwser that. Actually, there is not much to explain here, because the separatists have given us evidence pointing to their guilt, themselves.
Several days before the tragedy they boasted that they have the BUK system, which was also reported on the television Rossiya 24 or news agency ITAR-TASS. Igor Strielkov, the self-proclaimed head of the MON of the self-proclaimed Donieck republic, just after disappearing of the plane from radar published on his vKontakte - Russian equivalent of Facebook - information about the shooting down of the Ukrainian transport AN-26 exactly at the place and time where Boeing dropped, and added two videos from the place of the tragedy, which later proved to be movies from the crash site of the passenger liner.
No, AN-26 was shot down that day, and Strielkov quickly removed the post. Ukrainian Security Service also brought to light a conversation of few separatists, who admitted that they mistakenly shot down the Malaysian machine. U.S. Inteligence, which studied this material, found it to be reliable and that it was not manipulated. U.S. Ambassador to Kiev in an interview said that U.S. intelligence data shows that just before the downing of a Boeing separatists from Russia got a powerful boost arms, including the likely set of BUK system. U.S. Secret Service, which was also emphasized by President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry in their speeches, on the basis of observations and radar satellite stated that the missile was fired from the territory possessed by the separatists. This was further confirmed and disclosed in the night from Tuesday to Wednesday CET time by the american intelligence.
This was strong evidence, therefore, the Kremlin quickly agreed to an international commission - to gain time. It will be argued that before the end of the work of specialists, who probably will take a few months, you can not talk about any responsibility to anyone. And that Russia can't be accused of any bias, as it agreed to the international investigation into the matter. It is certain, that after the publication of the report of the Boeing tragedy Putin will be stressing beyond any insinuations from the U.S. and Ukraine, that no evidence of shooting down the machine by separatists (supported by him), do not exist.
PS: plus, if you ask me there isn't much to argue.. As we know by the crimea experience, that Russia has no respect whatsoever for ukrainian borders. Their military already started crossing the ukrainian border in feburary this year, and on 1 march Putin made it clear it was no "separatists" but russian army stealing territory... and now we just have the same thing... russian military crossing ukrainian border...
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- no, fortunately.
That is if, you dumb down this discussion to your opinion without any argument whatsoever.
@diamanti
- as usual, lost in the woods... I can't even begin to anwser to your nonsense...
but here is an article with some facts... about the shooting down a civilian airplane... which you might have missed, and just to be clear, none of it is "my opinion", or "my definition of terrorism".. these are facts which you can reject without thinking and argue against... or simply: check for yourself, if truth and not nonsense or worse propaganda is what you are interested in, good luck...
Today we can be sure what happened to the Boeing 777 flying on July 17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. When it was flying over the area controlled by pro-Russian separatists, it was hit by anti-aircraft missile system BUK. International experts from the UK and the Netherlands will not tell us who fired it, after analyzing the black box recording or examining the remains of the machine. Because they are not able to do that - they can only confirm that the cause of the tragedy was a: missile ground-to-air.
The question, to whom the system belonged, who gave the order, and who pressed the button that fired the rocket, is the most important one. Only the foreign intelligence cooperating with Ukrainian special services after analyzing data from the satellites, radar reconnaissance, eavesdropping conversations or reports of their agents can anwser that. Actually, there is not much to explain here, because the separatists have given us evidence pointing to their guilt, themselves.
Several days before the tragedy they boasted that they have the BUK system, which was also reported on the television Rossiya 24 or news agency ITAR-TASS. Igor Strielkov, the self-proclaimed head of the MON of the self-proclaimed Donieck republic, just after disappearing of the plane from radar published on his vKontakte - Russian equivalent of Facebook - information about the shooting down of the Ukrainian transport AN-26 exactly at the place and time where Boeing dropped, and added two videos from the place of the tragedy, which later proved to be movies from the crash site of the passenger liner.
No, AN-26 was shot down that day, and Strielkov quickly removed the post. Ukrainian Security Service also brought to light a conversation of few separatists, who admitted that they mistakenly shot down the Malaysian machine. U.S. Inteligence, which studied this material, found it to be reliable and that it was not manipulated. U.S. Ambassador to Kiev in an interview said that U.S. intelligence data shows that just before the downing of a Boeing separatists from Russia got a powerful boost arms, including the likely set of BUK system. U.S. Secret Service, which was also emphasized by President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry in their speeches, on the basis of observations and radar satellite stated that the missile was fired from the territory possessed by the separatists. This was further confirmed and disclosed in the night from Tuesday to Wednesday CET time by the american intelligence.
This was strong evidence, therefore, the Kremlin quickly agreed to an international commission - to gain time. It will be argued that before the end of the work of specialists, who probably will take a few months, you can not talk about any responsibility to anyone. And that Russia can't be accused of any bias, as it agreed to the international investigation into the matter. It is certain, that after the publication of the report of the Boeing tragedy Putin will be stressing beyond any insinuations from the U.S. and Ukraine, that no evidence of shooting down the machine by separatists (supported by him), do not exist.
PS: plus, if you ask me there isn't much to argue.. As we know by the crimea experience, that Russia has no respect whatsoever for ukrainian borders. Their military already started crossing the ukrainian border in feburary this year, and on 1 march Putin made it clear it was no "separatists" but russian army stealing territory... and now we just have the same thing... russian military crossing ukrainian border...
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