Subject: »NEWS AROUND THE WORLD

@rumpil
- no, fortunately.
That is if, you dumb down this discussion to your opinion without any argument whatsoever.

@diamanti
- as usual, lost in the woods... I can't even begin to anwser to your nonsense...

but here is an article with some facts... about the shooting down a civilian airplane... which you might have missed, and just to be clear, none of it is "my opinion", or "my definition of terrorism".. these are facts which you can reject without thinking and argue against... or simply: check for yourself, if truth and not nonsense or worse propaganda is what you are interested in, good luck...

Today we can be sure what happened to the Boeing 777 flying on July 17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. When it was flying over the area controlled by pro-Russian separatists, it was hit by anti-aircraft missile system BUK. International experts from the UK and the Netherlands will not tell us who fired it, after analyzing the black box recording or examining the remains of the machine. Because they are not able to do that - they can only confirm that the cause of the tragedy was a: missile ground-to-air.
The question, to whom the system belonged, who gave the order, and who pressed the button that fired the rocket, is the most important one. Only the foreign intelligence cooperating with Ukrainian special services after analyzing data from the satellites, radar reconnaissance, eavesdropping conversations or reports of their agents can anwser that. Actually, there is not much to explain here, because the separatists have given us evidence pointing to their guilt, themselves.
Several days before the tragedy they boasted that they have the BUK system, which was also reported on the television Rossiya 24 or news agency ITAR-TASS. Igor Strielkov, the self-proclaimed head of the MON of the self-proclaimed Donieck republic, just after disappearing of the plane from radar published on his vKontakte - Russian equivalent of Facebook - information about the shooting down of the Ukrainian transport AN-26 exactly at the place and time where Boeing dropped, and added two videos from the place of the tragedy, which later proved to be movies from the crash site of the passenger liner.
No, AN-26 was shot down that day, and Strielkov quickly removed the post. Ukrainian Security Service also brought to light a conversation of few separatists, who admitted that they mistakenly shot down the Malaysian machine. U.S. Inteligence, which studied this material, found it to be reliable and that it was not manipulated. U.S. Ambassador to Kiev in an interview said that U.S. intelligence data shows that just before the downing of a Boeing separatists from Russia got a powerful boost arms, including the likely set of BUK system. U.S. Secret Service, which was also emphasized by President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry in their speeches, on the basis of observations and radar satellite stated that the missile was fired from the territory possessed by the separatists. This was further confirmed and disclosed in the night from Tuesday to Wednesday CET time by the american intelligence.
This was strong evidence, therefore, the Kremlin quickly agreed to an international commission - to gain time. It will be argued that before the end of the work of specialists, who probably will take a few months, you can not talk about any responsibility to anyone. And that Russia can't be accused of any bias, as it agreed to the international investigation into the matter. It is certain, that after the publication of the report of the Boeing tragedy Putin will be stressing beyond any insinuations from the U.S. and Ukraine, that no evidence of shooting down the machine by separatists (supported by him), do not exist.


PS: plus, if you ask me there isn't much to argue.. As we know by the crimea experience, that Russia has no respect whatsoever for ukrainian borders. Their military already started crossing the ukrainian border in feburary this year, and on 1 march Putin made it clear it was no "separatists" but russian army stealing territory... and now we just have the same thing... russian military crossing ukrainian border...
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Really? The OSCE guys are not in the same opinion.....

if this pictures are real it really seems that not buk but UK aircraft shot that plane down... or have you another explanation ?

And for people who loved facts and prove i post this links, Ukraine is cheating us by false facts. And their source of this picture is not even their own, somebody had to send them those pictures. I think, this is simple prove that Ukraine gov. is lying to all the world.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.cz/2014/08/analysis-of-satellite-imagery-released.html

Of course, this is not facebook comment prove or fb video prove :-D, this is just real pictures from satellites...

I still don't get one crucial thing? what are you trying to prove?



That every proof and or a link "the evil west axis" give, must be an evil conspiracy, and poor Putin is just a victim of that corporate evil west that ganged up on poor russia, or what? ...and that every russian negation, must be right, of course... and that the "western" media all are bias, and russian is the only one which is objective... lol.
Any doubts over that - if there even were any, finished on 1 of march 2014, when Russia stole ukrainian territory (without even hiding it), hence invaded a sovereign country that started the current conflict, or war = it is a war.

...the rest is... firstly ...very unfortunate and sad, and secondly near to irrelevant, the plane crash, who is shooting who... and so on.. it will always come down to one thing... who started it. And there is no doubt whatsoever that the conflict changed from a internal Ukrainian one, to a external or international one.. when "unknown" russian military took over crimea in feburary, and added it to russia, without anyone's concent, and with clear objection of the international comunity, which is now just consistent in their reaction, to this russian aggresion. The simple fact is that if Putin wanted to stop this conflict he could within 3 days or less. But, he is interested in the opposite... for his "internal" game for or to the russian people...

Obama's strategy of letting Putin hang himself is working - on one hand...



...and on the other, nothing has changed... russia is ready, and the west isn't.
Will There Be a Full-Scale Invasion?

but back to the facts:
Russia continues to provide them with heavy weapons, other military equipment and financing, and continues to allow militants to enter Ukraine freely. Russia denies this, just as it denied its forces were involved in Crimea -- until after the fact. Russia has refused to call for the separatists to lay down their arms, and continues to mass its troops along the Ukrainian border.
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I show you that Ukraine government is lying with its official statements.
So if EU helps Ukraine which is lying it is same as US false reason for starting war in Iraq, mistake....(nuclear weapons).

I am against false war based on lies from my taxes.

Please read again, the first paragraph of what I wrote... eh... as your proof is worth as much as the first sentence of that text... or the motto's from the blog you posted: "Stop the Empire's war on Russia", "Russia stands for freedom!" lol... I know, I know.. your proof defending russia, based on russian statements must be true, and everything the "evil axis" media or governments say must be false... please...
...read, understand... and don't type nonsense... the Ukrainian government statements after 1 of march are as irrelevant as the plane crash is - they only highlight the conflict. They might be correct or incorrect which doesn't change the clarity that Russia with Putin started this mess, made this conflict from an internal ukrainian one to a international one... by shifting its army to Ukrainian Crimea... ane seizing foreign army bases by little, but by force... and on territory which didn't belong to them. It's clear cut and simple... if in feburary 2014 in Crimea, Ukrainian soldiers started firing on russian soldiers, it would still be russian aggression. Please get that around your head. Ukrainian army gave Putin the benefit of the doubt - as they had no intention of killing anyone, which by the 1 of march was lifted by Putin himself... joyously stealing crimea for the RT camera's. This started the international conflict. Stealing of territory, whatever the arguments behind it were, it was stealing and violating european borders.

USA, EU helping the Ukrainian government is nothing but consistency, surprisingly strong consistency, and it is not a "false war" its defending the sovereignty of european borders which russia broke! by annecting Crimea, without anyone's but thier own (selfish) concent. As for the DPR "separatist/terrorists", There was no question of DPR in january this year?! its all a made up stalinist plan or program, which is currently useful to the russian "cause"... and more likely useful for Putin to keep in power internally in russia, and unifing "the people of russia" under a economic mess, which he and his centralization of power created.

"russia stands for freedom"

Russian poster from 1921 — "Donbass is the heart of Russia".

PS: Russia already showed how it gives its "freedom" to Poland between the WWII and 1989.



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"USA, EU helping the Ukrainian government is nothing but consistency, surprisingly strong consistency, and it is not a "false war" its defending the sovereignty of european borders which russia broke! by annecting Crimea, without anyone's but thier own (selfish) concent."

What about defending sovereignty of european Serbian borders in Kosovo?
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oooops......

We've done Kosovo, few pages ago...
I can elaborate... I reckon it was a mistake, any use of violence is a mistake, a choice has been made out of two evils, the lesser evil was picked a bit like the mess in palestine-israel "two state solution", to end the violence as there was violence there for years anyway, end the violence with a strong blow - yes (just like the atomic bombs ended the WW-II), and don't forget Serbia wasn't such a clear cut case either, after the brake up of Yugoslavia... this conflict was very different to the one in ukraine now - a lot of legitemate claims, the whole area was a mess, with religious and linguistic divisions.. in a sense it was, and also wasn't a mistake as the area is more peaceful now. And in a sense the area still is a mess... with the bosnia sea corridor?!? ...and on a more humorous note, I am now waiting for the "Raška uprising for independence" :-] and just to be clear it would be as ridiculous as donieck malitia.

In Ukraine on the other hand, it was and is staright forward, there was no Donieck Republic... apart from Stalin's lines on the map, and we had a sovereign Ukrainie, deceptively attacked by Russia, with Ukrainian loss of land, and russian gain... theft of land by masked military. I trust that you can see the difference, maybe not ...also to get to the point... Kosovo is irrelevant to this Ukraine conflict topic.
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Washington’s Diabolical Agenda in Iraq: US Pledges “Humanitarian Airstrikes” against US Sponsored IS Terrorists

Implausible Deniability - West's ISIS Terror Hordes in Iraq

The US has pledged assistance for victims of and even possible “airstrikes” against terrorists who have surrounded and threaten to eradicate thousands of religious minorities in Iraq. However, the terrorists themselves are a product of US foreign policy in the Middle East and North Africa, and instrumental in achieving Western objectives across the region. Punitive strikes and aid to the victims of what is essentially a Western mercenary army is part of maintaining plausible deniability.

The terror hordes originated from NATO territory and have inundated Syria, Iraq, and now Lebanon. The goal of this well funded, heavily armed, professionally organized mercenary force is clearly to supplant pro-Iranian political and military fronts across Tehran’s arc of influence – from Baghdad to Damascus, to Lebanon and Hezbollah along the Mediterranean. In the process, the heavily indoctrinated rank and file have committed horrific atrocities ranging from rape and torture to mass executions and sectarian genocide. While such war crimes have been taking place in Syria since 2011, it is becoming increasingly difficult to cover up similar crimes beyond Syria’s borders under narratives of “civil war” linked to the so-called “Arab Spring.”



Image: ISIS began its invasion into Iraqi territory from NATO-member Turkey, through Syria and riding in Toyota Hilux trucks – identical to those provided to “moderates” by the US State Department as part of multi-million dollar “non-lethal” aid packages. ISIS did not take these trucks from “moderates,” the moderates never existed to begin with. From the beginning, it was the West’s plan to raise a mercenary army of sectarian extremists operating under the banner of Al Qaeda.

Instead, various stories have been used by the West to explain the appearance of ISIS in Iraq, the unprecedented scale of its operations, its convoys of matching vehicles and now military trucks, artillery, and even tanks. While the world is meant to believe ISIS spontaneously rose from the desert and “stole” billions in cash, weapons, and gear, a much simpler and documented explanation exists – Western state sponsorship -and state sponsorship that continues even as the West denounces the monsters of their own creation.

ISIS Origins

Beginning in 2011 – and actually even as early as 2007 – the United States has been arming, funding, and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and a myriad of armed terrorist organizations to overthrow the government of Syria, fight Hezbollah in Lebanon, and undermine the power and influence of Iran, which of course includes any other government or group in the MENA region friendly toward Tehran.


Image: ISIS corridors begin in Turkey and end in Baghdad.

Billions in cash have been funneled into the hands of terrorist groups including Al Nusra, Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), and what is now being called “Islamic State in Iraq and Syria” or ISIS. One can see clearly by any map of ISIS held territory that it butts up directly against Turkey’s borders with defined corridors ISIS uses to invade southward – this is because it is precisely from NATO territory this terrorist scourge originated.

ISIS was harbored on NATO territory, armed and funded by US CIA agents with cash and weapons brought in from the Saudis, Qataris, and NATO members themselves. The “non-lethal aid” the US and British sent including the vehicles we now see ISIS driving around in.

They didn’t “take” this gear from “moderates.” There were never any moderates to begin with. The deadly sectarian genocide we now see unfolding was long ago predicted by those in the Pentagon – current and former officials – interviewed in 2007 by Pulitzer Prize-winning veteran journalist Seymour Hersh.

Hersh’s 9-page 2007 report, “The Redirection” states explicitly:

To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.

“Extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam” and are “sympathetic to Al Qaeda” – is a verbatim definition of what ISIS is today. Clearly the words of Hersh were as prophetic as they were factually informed, grounded in the reality of a regional conflict already engineered and taking shape as early as 2007. Hersh’s report would also forewarn the sectarian nature of the coming conflict, and in particular mention the region’s Christians who were admittedly being protected by Hezbollah.
West’s Feigned Concern Vs. Genuine Drive to Divide and Destroy

Now, as the US feigns concern for religious minorities being slaughtered in front of the eyes of the world, it should be remembered that this conflict was engineered, set in motion, and perpetuated intentionally by the West for at least the last 7 years. The West knew the sectarian genocide now unfolding in Syria, Iraq, and soon in Lebanon was the inevitable result of their efforts to raise this regional mercenary force.

Western concern for religious minorities and the minimal provisions being made to “assist” them, is to maintain an increasingly tenuous plausible deniability. The feigned dithering of the West in the face of their growing mercenary force is to allow it to overrun the Iraqi government if possible, create more havoc within Syria, and spread the chaos to Lebanon.

ISIS is a standing army that requires state sponsorship – billions in cash, gear, weapons, and logistical, intelligence, and political support. While the West claims it has been handing over hundreds of millions to “moderates” in Syria, it has offered no plausible explanation as to who is providing ISIS and other Al Qaeda affiliates with even more resources enabling the extremists to displace these “moderates.” There is no other explanation besides the fact that there were never any moderates to begin with and that the US, UK, France, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and even Israel, have from the beginning, intentionally created a mercenary army composed of Al Qaeda extremists of unprecedented dimensions and capabilities.

The direct war with Iran the West has for so long attempted to sell the world is now clearly being replaced with an immense proxy war. It will feign ignorance to the genesis of ISIS and the fact that no other explanation beyond state-sponsorship exists to explain its continued success on the battlefield. Token airdrops and even “airstrikes” against ISIS positions will admittedly do nothing to disrupt ISIS’ ongoing campaigns across the region.

Depending on ISIS’ ability to achieve the West’s goals by proxy will determine the level of direct intervention the West seeks across the region. “Buffer zones” and “humanitarian interventions” to “relieve” areas plagued by ISIS will conveniently leave terrorist safe havens extending far beyond their current boundaries in NATO-member Turkey, Jordan, and northwest Iraq.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/washingtons-diabolical-agenda-in-iraq-us-pledges-humanitarian-airstrikes-against-us-sponsored-is-terrorists/5395190

this is really disgusting... but this says a lot about Ukrainians :-(

imho ukraine is not a state, it's a fake. look in the history and find me ukraine...

ooooops #1...
US, Israel, Saudis aiding Takfiri terrorists (ISIL)

and...
ooooops #2...
Wikileaks: Ban Ki-Moon Worked with Israel to Undermine UN Report

I had to agree.....

Disgusting is putting it mildly

Go north and you will find evidence that Ukraine exists :)