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"where's the US's report about the Malaysian Plane, Russia gave detailed information about it"

"the only logical.." ...lol.

How about the simpler version,
the crash happend in the ex-soviet russia territory the near russian border, were russia/russians/pro-russians are attacking a soverign country with rockets produced and delivered from russia, the plane most probably was shot down by "pro" or simply russian separatists... who are/were controling the area, were the FSB/ex-KGB operatives operate daily... and are not even hiding themselves.
That is all without even questioning the reliability of russian plane crashes "experts", has anyone heard of the "smolensk crash" in 2010 which is when all the misinformation really got going, out of russia... and the wreck of the plane still has not be given back to Poland...

...as for "america".. or the United States of America, they are over 7850 km away from the malaysian airlines plane incident...

PS: some of your "arguments" rumpil go beyond paranoid conspiracies... lol. I love it when you try to contradict the official statement of a government or a head of state.. with some single link form a conspiracy and or propaganda website link or some anonymous extremely subjective blog. Keep up the nonsense.. ;-)


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You don't get it. The US has airplines/drones flying 24h/24h that gather any data about military action in the Ukraine since the conflict has started, and they get enough data from the satelits aswell. They said that they have evidence since the first day that the plane was shot down by the Pro Russians, but those evidence were never made public. They just point fingers.

But the thing is that the preliminary report said that it's very likely the airplane to be shot down by an Ukrainian airplane (the one from the video from the prev page). There were holes on both sides of the plane, you can't shot from the ground/vertically a bulet that will penetrate an airpline horizontally.

Talking about the US and the action of contradicting the official statement of a government or a head of state, this the funniest thing I have ever seen :)). They claim that the security of their country is their main strength.

https://www.youtube.com/v/fB37TCDcZBg
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I do get it, I am just pointing out it is not up the USA to explain this incident... explain russian or the ukrainian side, and even if they do have the intelligence... it is probably gathered by CIA or some other agency so it its no wonder it's not made public... as it would probably jeopardise their sources.
As for the last paragraph I don't know what are you on about, firstly I mention rumpil's actions not US in this context, secondly "They claim that the security of their country is their main strength." who, what, were..?
And most importantly what has it got to do with Malaysian plane crashing near the russian border, in a country russians are attacking...?? nothing. Japan or China also could make a report, Poland and Portugal could too... it wouldn't change anything.
Ofcourse you can point your fingers at anything you want, usa, corporations, capitalism, jews :-D conspiracy, the iluminati ;-)... or that white conwoy of putins love.. or at some holes in the wreck no one could really check because literally the same thing happend to evidence as in the smolensk plane crash few years ago - same misinformation tactics were employed there by russia and followed up by paranoid people - it was equally obvious, but that is all still all irrelevant to the facts... of russia intensifying their military movements on the ukrainian border controlled by russians separatists, with modern weopons provided from russia = Russian aggression on a neighbouring country: Ukraine ...continues.. while we get different media stories highlighted from both sides, to try to distarct us for the reality, of a plane ans simple war, a new war in europe started by Putin's russia, or at the least a begining of a new cold war... sanction war... were both will lose.. certain things will have a impact on everyone's lives. :-] ...its all idiotic if you ask me, and proves that some people live the past, and don't learn anything from history.. while their are willing to die for the same mistakes... and it costs the humanity plenty...
Its all a massive pity...
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Reread my post :)

You claim that it's not up to the US to make an offical report about it, but it's up to US to ask for fines against Russia without a report that shows all the reasons that led to those fines. How does that work? :)) Who said something about conspiracy?

You said to rumpil : " I love it when you try to contradict the official statement of a government or a head of state.".

I gave you a good example with that video about what a gov can say about things, things that in real life don't really exist. Like that border fence, you won't get a better example than that.

Ps. What's so secret about showing the proofs that the Pro Russians shot down the airpline? :)) I understand that Polish people are angered at Putin because he banned Poland from their import list, but let's not jump to conclusions. He had a good reason for it. The thing is that this coalition between EU and the US won't last too long, as soon as Russia will impose more sanctions for the European countries, all these relations will colapse.

Anyway, the US is due to fill bankrupcy in late of 2020, at the current rate, it's all about what Japan will do with its dollar reserves. All this show that the US puts on, are just disperate measures to stop the confidence indicator from collapsing at the speed of light.
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come off it... malaysian plane.. usa proof against putin... and sanctions??! you seem to be mixing everything up. Putin is giving the evidence himself with his moronic moves... same with the separatists - the funny thing is that they are not hinding anything.. only spreading more confusion about their possible future moves,..
As fo the sanctions the reasons are crystal clear.. starting with crimea and 1 of march, and ending in the constant escalating of military (and humanitarian) support to the terroriseparatits... (not to the ukrainian people, as they claim in TR) ...the plane is just another 'accident' that makes it even more obvious than it already was, it is almost irrelevant to the sanctions... just makes the issue more emotional.

...as for Poland, Polish people laugh off the russian bans.. because they know that its important, and that the sanctions hit russia more... also it is clear to everyone that they are made up on the spot, as revenge, and that russian official channels are literally lying about polish products (this is basic psychology of a bully, few people in Poland fall for russian nonsense, we know it by experience), Russians did do that on and off for the last ten years with the first bans in 2004, Polish people have a much more serious accusations against russia, an that is the "smolensk plane crash"... which in the light of current events adds much more questions to russian "transparency" and possible aggressive ambition in the future... imagine this for a second... plane with romanian or slovakian government crashes in russia, and 4 years later russia still didn't give back the wreck of the plane for examination.. dispite that there was no war, and that the relations were relatively good betwen Poland and Russia.. every single pole was glued to the news when that happend.. and the misinformation from the russian channels was obvoius blaming everything on everyone except russian controllers... and the prolonging of giving back the evidence or the black boxes... was at the least massively questionalbe... and it was very similar to the lates plane crash in russia.

"US is due to fill bankrupcy in late of 2020" :-) USA is bad, capitalism is bad... and jews are behing everthing, I know.. I know... ;-)

wszystko = everything.
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So it seems that you don't really get anything :)) My question is, do you really read from any sources or you're just saying your oppinion based on just your personal thoughts, thoughts that don't have anything to do with any facts.

I'm just asking because from the way you write, it seems that you haven't read any leaked documents that are posted all over the internet about the current situation.

So I'm asking you again : What's so secret about showing the proofs that the Pro Russians shot down the airpline? If they really shot it down.

Damages done by the Ukrainian army lately :



Another problem is the way that the Kiev decided to deal with the people who helped them to get to power:



On the other hand, about the US, I suggest you to read an interesting book, to have more information about the current economy and where it is heading :http://richardheinberg.com/bookshelf/the-end-of-growth-book

Ps, hopefully you won't get confused by the 3 main subject that we're talking about in a whole post, as I I've noticed in your latest posts.
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let's start over...

you wrote...
My question is, where's the US's report about the Malaysian Plane, Russia gave detailed information about it: The US who has observation airplanes flying arround the conflict area, gathering data about the Russia's military power, they somehow couldn't get any data about the Malaysian plane. I saw some kind of report of the US version, but I laugh so bad that my stomach started to hurt.

and then rumpil wrote...

2014-08-17 14:10:33
rumpil do illuminati
My question is, where's the US's report about the Malaysian Plane, Russia gave detailed information about it: The only one logical answer is that those pictures shows what they want hide, so they can not reveal facts.

I simply laughed off both those comments... :-) because I still don't get what some people in this forum are trying to prove..? that america is bad? and that ukrainian army defending ukrainian territory is bad? and that the jews and nazi's are behind it all, and poor old russia, and Putin is a saviour with his white trucks... ?

Your arguments are nonsense from the outset, I don't care for any russian report, as I read the one in 2010 and it was pure misinformation. And I know Polish history enough to have a good understanding of russian bullshit. Like the Katyn murders which till 2010!!! russia denied!!!!
But to the point... You started confusing the malaysian plane crash as a reason for ukrainian army defence of their own territory, and the sanctions from the eu and us... again, as I wrote this before.. and I'll write it again.. the plane crash has almost nothing to do with the sactions and ukrainian army defence.. it is irrelevant! ans simply confiremed the already obvious ... irrelelvant, and even more so.. some russian "intelegence" about it... and again, It is not up to the US to do anything, in this conflict.. to prove or disprove russian scenario's... they can do what they want, but are not obliged to do anything, esspecially not obliged to the aggressive russian side, which started the conflict.

As for the ukrainian army offensive against the russian equiped pro-russian malitia, they are unfortunatley doing what they can... in the situation were foreign citizens are taking over building, cities and using anti aircraft guns, against the state what rightly is called terrorism. And Putin is not helping to say the least. I am really not intersested in writing the same obvious thing over and over...
As for your links... they are pictures of war. War which russia started by annecting Ukrainian territory, full stop. No russian report or news story from RT is going to undo that.
The point is not who killed more people, but who started the conflict.

As for the US economy, I didn't even go into that subject... and I won't now. Just found your prediction funny. I won't go into that because it is irrelevant to the current "news around the world" - its just some anti-american nonsense...

also to be clear, I never wrote any "pro-american" crap either. I only mention the relevant things, like the polish plane crash in russia, similar scenario, or the general history of relation in this area of europe..

PS: and yes every post is someone's opionion on the subject.

anyhow... some pictures from the russian media: "bad Ukraine bad, for defending their terriotry" I know... :-D evil ukraine.. ;-) (this is irony, if anyone doest get it)




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I ask you again, do you even read any news? Do you even know that lately it was held meetings of the leaders to decide new sanctions for Russia that has as topic the so called Russia's involvment in the plane crash? Like seriously can we discuss a subject without bringing up jews or something like it?

I'm not confusing anything, I just told you few times, we are discussing here about 3 topics, I don't understand why you are mixing them together in an illegible way :)

We are talking about the plane crash, about the tensions between Ukraine and Russia and about the US involvment.

As for the US economy, I didn't even go into that subject... and I won't now. Just found your prediction funny. I won't go into that because it is irrelevant to the current "news around the world" - its just some anti-american nonsense...

My prediction? It's not my prediction mate, read some financial reports of the top leading financial companies. :)) Let me brake it down for you, in an easy way, without needing any knowledge to understand the phenomenon.

The US has lots of gold, lots of it, you can't even imagine how much it is in quantity, but in paper, that gold doesn't have physical existance. The US \ traded them for ~100 years at a point where they now have to somehow turn water into gold, because those who now own those papers are asking for the gold in its physical form. The problem is that the US doesn't have it :)

In 2020 the US has to give back 300 tons of gold in its physical form to Germany. The deadline has already passed once, they had to give back that gold already, but they just managed to give back only 5 tons, that bad is the situation. The problem is that there are many countries in the queue, not only Germany.
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lol, you make me... :-)

yes, I do read the news... and no, I am not interested in your opinion (or ones you read about) about the US economy :-), I have my views also, but they are not current news, or relevant to the only one topic I am discussing with you.. if any, in this thread, an that is "russian involvement in this conflict" I am also not interested in the plane crash itself that much... as the sanctions against Russia from the start had stages which have been consequently followed.. also new ones were added... as russia kept on their aggressive policy, russian involvement in the situation that lead to the plane crash is so obvious that you would really have to dig hard, like rumpil :-) to find any source not leading to russia plain aggression (for the internal audience, mosty). And again, and again.. most important to the one and only topic I am sometimes joining... in this thread, is again.. that it is not a tit for tat, who did what to whom, and when... and who has more arguments.. more reports, and who is accusing whom of more deaths, but simply... it is a case, of who started this (important) international mess/conflict and what the consequences of it will be, and both things are clear.
Russia started it in feburary, and on 1 of march cofirmed their guilt... and the consequences will be bad for both sides.. :-( ...and anyone involved, someone should take responsibility for that.. the only problem is ..that russian rulling elite is playing both sides for fools... and taking, no responsibility.. were one side is the poor beguiled russian public... :-] and the other... us (europe)... eastern EU.., citizens particularly... :-] Its all a really annoying, untortnatly also laughable mess... :-] which could have been easily avoided... if "the west" wasn't lazy, but unfortunately is worked up, everyday...
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Reminder to myself: this topic is infected by trolls, immorals, liars and idiots!! DO NOT FEED THEM! And pity those who can't help it they have become like that, even if this is very difficult or even impossible.


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jaisom, mainstream propaganda did a great job :-) !
and nobody had to bribe you for spreading such a opinions, that is the most funny part of this :-D

mainstream says: Ukr. troops get Lugansk, the civil war is almost at the end, rebels will be crushed.
not mainstream (conspire theories :-D) says: Today, just 83 of 4000 soldiers get back to base after bad attack on Lugansk.

And what people think....? Where are our sons, why they didnt get back too !?!


But this is just conspire theory, there are paid actors in this video and so... :-)

rumpil, being nice... I can only redirect you to an earlier post on this matter, page 650 jasiom22 to rumpil, 2014-07-24 16:20:33. We have been over this :-), and the only thing you are proving with this kind of comments... is your own poor memory and lack of understanding of propaganda itself.
The one thing I enjoy in this thread is that some people accuse me of things, I haven't written about.
As for bias itself everyone has got it, but I imagine no members of your family died at the hands of russian army. I had two members, as almost every other pole did, or does.
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As for bias itself everyone has got it, but I imagine no members of your family died at the hands of russian army. I had two members, as almost every other pole did, or does.

Ok, now I understand why you weren't answered clear to my questions and keep avoiding the subject.

I was very clear about that..., I am simply not intersted in changing the subject to american economy, and your opinion about it, it's irrelevant to the current news. That's all. Also I don't understand this anti-american "what about kosovo","bad capitalism" metality, when russians are supplying weapons to the "pro"russians who kill ukrainians, (and vice-versa), and pretending that they are actually sending humanitarian aid.. :] How does the US come into that?

As for Russia, I have nothing against russia itself or russians (despite the family history) I don;t hold it against them (thou it might be a slight bias), yet I've met a few russians and if anything I think they are poor to have Putin in charge... with this ex-kgb rulling elite that is living in the soviet (failure) past... still I think they are only poor... just like americans were poor to have bush in charge, and belarussian are extremely poor to have Lukashenko in charge... yet I still I don't hold anything against anyone, just like to keep the recent history alive, so people understand it better.

I do have a problem thou, with breaching borders of sovereign nations with military equipement, thus starting a war... which also hits hard the economy of Poland's neighbouring country/countries inculding self distructive Russia.
Also... I believed europe was past this violent nonsense... which Putin with his crimea... and the "pro"russian separatists started over.. it is sad... and dumb, to say the least. There is no excuse for russia's actions since feburary.
And it genuinely bewilders me that people for Slovakia or Romania... seem to justify russian actions, by highlighting ukrainian misfortune, or errors... while accepting the blaten lies from russia, along with military intervention in a internal conflict. :-]

Steve Rosenberg - Moscow Correspondent for BBC News

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oh no.... what happened to the biggest democracy in the world???

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