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3. Ukranine and right sector started making troubles to everyone on the east who likes russia or speaks russians. They don't hasitate burn to death severals civilians, woman and so. Is this ok? Are you really suprised that eastern Ukraine start a revolt against such a terror? Tell me your opinion,what you would did is such a situation ?
4. We like so called democracy....so....Janukovic , elected president , refused EU and Nato. And us and EU start rebelions. If you believe to democracy why you are accepting forcing them get to EU. 80-90% of eastern ukr. refused EU, they like russia, speak russians and have relatives in russia. On west Ukraine maybe majority like EU. My opinion is deviding country , not destroy it and force all of them by weapons and killing get to EU.
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4. We like so called democracy....so....Janukovic , elected president , refused EU and Nato. And us and EU start rebelions. If you believe to democracy why you are accepting forcing them get to EU. 80-90% of eastern ukr. refused EU, they like russia, speak russians and have relatives in russia. On west Ukraine maybe majority like EU. My opinion is deviding country , not destroy it and force all of them by weapons and killing get to EU.
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I agree with you on every point. Everyone did mistakes in the process of this conflict. EU supporting Maidan was wrong, it's not their business. The overthrow of Janukovich as well. Then new Ukr. government acted plain stupid, which invited Russia to enhance it's influence. Since then neither of EU or Russia are doing anything to deescalate the conflict, in hope that their "toys" (Ukraine / seperatists) will eventually win. EU helps with money, Russia sends men and material.
But that all doesn't mean that all Ukrainians are fascists or similar idiotic stuff. Such things are just classic propaganda to make a war look "righteous".
But that all doesn't mean that all Ukrainians are fascists or similar idiotic stuff. Such things are just classic propaganda to make a war look "righteous".
But to denounce enemy people is an old tactic. Today it fascists seems popular. In WW1 e.g. animals were an often used motive. :)
Well, buying Russian puppet president Yanukovych to get maximum Russian control in Ukraine without the need of an invasion wasn't just a 'mistake', just as the invasion and occupation of Crimea for it's rich resources and naval base after this unsuccessful hostile political takeover wasn't just a 'mistake', and now eastern Ukraine ... It all fits perfectly in a longterm strategy of new Russianisation. The EU support was and still is way too soft to stop this Russian bullying and destabilizing of neighbor regions, the stealing of neighbor land and imporant resources, and the killing for Putin's lebensraum.
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Is this the "post your favourite ad" thread now? Can I link a Coca-cola video then? :P
by "all" I usually mean the west Ukrainians... and I will ask you, were germans fascist ??
If everybody here will say "yes" I can ask you: "why ? Just some of them were, not everybody!"
The point is that western Ukraine is supporting this regtime, so they support also fascists as germans in WW2 did with hitler's party.
btw...west ukraine like democracy in freedom and free speech, so no matter that just kid was saying different opinion, this is result of right sector and west Ukraine regtime
If everybody here will say "yes" I can ask you: "why ? Just some of them were, not everybody!"
The point is that western Ukraine is supporting this regtime, so they support also fascists as germans in WW2 did with hitler's party.
btw...west ukraine like democracy in freedom and free speech, so no matter that just kid was saying different opinion, this is result of right sector and west Ukraine regtime
look on previous video and tell me if you believe that right sector (part of current Ukrainian government) is just demonic, frightening problem, and not real one.
coca-cola is not related to news around the world, we know it long time :-), but you can post here what is new in your country, it is little far of EU so I dont know actual status and problems or so :-)
btw... my friend from the east of Slovakia told me, that polish people are selling cabbage for 0,07€/kg !!!
Slovakia usual price is 0,55/kg and usual polish price is 0,33€/kg.
But thx to EU and sanctions, now polish people dont know how and where sell its agricultural products so the price is around 0€ :-D.
I like EU, the cabbage is now on the lowest price level, the communist was never able get such low price, but EU did a miracle :-DDD
Slovakia usual price is 0,55/kg and usual polish price is 0,33€/kg.
But thx to EU and sanctions, now polish people dont know how and where sell its agricultural products so the price is around 0€ :-D.
I like EU, the cabbage is now on the lowest price level, the communist was never able get such low price, but EU did a miracle :-DDD
“But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.”
― Adolf Hitler
You have mastered the first steps of the propaganda technique according this man. Pick a few points and keep repeating yourself over and over and over again .... well done!
Fortunatly most people on Sokker and hopefully also on this planet aren't so ignorant or even stupid to fall for that brainless crap.
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― Adolf Hitler
You have mastered the first steps of the propaganda technique according this man. Pick a few points and keep repeating yourself over and over and over again .... well done!
Fortunatly most people on Sokker and hopefully also on this planet aren't so ignorant or even stupid to fall for that brainless crap.
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:-DDD
http://www.4thmedia.org/2014/08/osce-confirms-no-russian-troops-in-ukraine-kievs-false-flag/
The OSCE was told there was no Russian presence spotted across the Ukraine border, refuting Thursday’s claims that a full-scale invasion was underway. Both the Ukrainian monitoring team head and Russia’s representative have given a firm ‘no.’
so what now, Porosenko is lier and EU is making war on false reason like US did in Iraq...and everybody here has no problem with this, cos it is connected with russia, right ??
History will teach us and you too !
http://www.4thmedia.org/2014/08/osce-confirms-no-russian-troops-in-ukraine-kievs-false-flag/
The OSCE was told there was no Russian presence spotted across the Ukraine border, refuting Thursday’s claims that a full-scale invasion was underway. Both the Ukrainian monitoring team head and Russia’s representative have given a firm ‘no.’
so what now, Porosenko is lier and EU is making war on false reason like US did in Iraq...and everybody here has no problem with this, cos it is connected with russia, right ??
History will teach us and you too !
@rumpil
Your mind is fixed, and as usual you are missing my points (about russian politicians rethoric, and policies, that prolong the conflict), also I am honestly completely not interested in anwsering to your putin like ;-) "Ukrainian facists" rubbish, or other russian propaganda like "showing creation of novorossia, no matter how much tanks will EU send there, they will fight and they will win their own country!", so far only Russia is sending tanks where there should not be. PS: your are mixing up EU and NATO. (and, Yes there are radical right wing idiots in every country on earth.)
"instead of your nonsense stories and personal hate against russia... I will rather post here new facts :-)." - unfortunately your are doing the complete opposite, on the last 4 pages I sent two posts with news stories from the BBC and other reliable sources with clear facts, not my opinion [ (which insidently is not "personal hate against russia", as I have stated on many occasions, its their political decisions that worry me.) meanwhile you posted about 20 posts of your opinion on "nazis, EU, and novorossiya... ..if I may add, (novo)rossiyan terror, in sovereign Ukrainian territory.
@Don Enzo
thank you, I try.. ;-p
firstly I am differenciating media content from different sources, in countries where there is more media freedom the content is more balanced, as for russian propaganda it really has't changed much since the soviet union days - its one point "russia empire" view, it is honestly quite easy seeing thourgh it, if you know Polish history even more so, beaucse we had 50 years of it, and generally polish history of the late 80's is on many occasions very similar to what is happening in Ukraine now, only less violent, radical... and less at stake, in world peace context.
"Russia is evil beyond logic" - definatly not (and I never said that, despite rumpil's imagination of what I mean), my main problems are recent decisions, facts, the rethoric used, stunts and policies of the russian political elite.. which prolong the conflict, and were manipulative from the start, and obviously aggressive towards neighbouring countries, "russian goals" as you call them become more obvious and dangerous with every week, month... and I am not too optimistic about the eastern borders of other european countries in the future.
You do have a important point with your last sentence "They are at the center of this conflict, Russian support or not, and understanding why clearly has not been a priority." yet it's no reason for the violence that is taking place there, the pro-russian side started off in completlety different one might say opposite fashion to the catalans or scots asspirations for autonomy on soverignty), Maidan in essence was a relatively (relatively) peacful revolution, definatly in comparison to the brutal war which pro and russians are fighting now in soverign Ukraine, against the state. With support from one and only a beneficiary state (russia).
@diamanti[mmmj]
I never said anything about nazi's, its all rumpil's imagination or interpretation of what I mean + russian propaganda nonsense, I think my points are quite clear. Nazi's in Ukraine are obviously wrong in their aggresion, and frustration... and it was a mistake of the Ukrainian government to "use" or deal with them in any way... unfortunatly they didn't have much choice, as the right wings radicals are the most "dedcitated" to the same goal, goal of not braking Ukraine into two or three russia pupet states, the goal of defending their own country against russian invasion, and russian theft of resources and whole region/regions. (I think we all understand by know, that its all about resources from crimea and donetsk region, that russia selfishly wants, and can't have to revive their ever weaker economy)
@Fanakick
"I agree with you on every point." "...Since then neither of EU or Russia are doing anything to deescalate the conflict." - I respectfully disagree, EU intervention stopped the violence in maidan (there was no EU involvement before), and only then the "pro"russians started to take over Ukrainian state buildings, and russia invaded Crimea, to restart the conflict only on a wider and lets not forget, international scale for the first time. And just beacause some Ukrainians wave EU flags and what to join EU, does not mean that Janukovic was overthrown by EU, he was overthrown by his own countrymen, when he startred to overuse his power.. :] The cause for Russian intervention is (quite plane and clear) its their own selfish interest in this regions resources... and the goal of weakening a neighbouring state so that russian rulling elite can keep the nation at bay for longer, and keep themselves in power for longer along with their imperialistic soviet nostalgia aspirations. It is not a direct effect of EU intervention as some say, (its more conspiracy theories than reality), pls...
PS: 20th century Russian pride (which the russian public is fed) is built upon, "fighting nazis!... everywere" like on the 17 of september 1939... when russia started "saving Poland from the nazi's" "the official part line" from Moscow with their tanks.. (in reality according to the Ribbentrop Molotov Pact with Hitler "made earlier"...) and then occupying Poland for nearly half a century... forcing russian in schools, and striving towards the goal which they succeded in Belarus. Russifying a whole nation :-] And these are facts, not "anti-russian propaganda" or "russia hate" ... :-] .. historical facts.
Appeal of Polish intellectuals to the citizens and governments of Europe
Gdańsk, September 1, 2014
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Your mind is fixed, and as usual you are missing my points (about russian politicians rethoric, and policies, that prolong the conflict), also I am honestly completely not interested in anwsering to your putin like ;-) "Ukrainian facists" rubbish, or other russian propaganda like "showing creation of novorossia, no matter how much tanks will EU send there, they will fight and they will win their own country!", so far only Russia is sending tanks where there should not be. PS: your are mixing up EU and NATO. (and, Yes there are radical right wing idiots in every country on earth.)
"instead of your nonsense stories and personal hate against russia... I will rather post here new facts :-)." - unfortunately your are doing the complete opposite, on the last 4 pages I sent two posts with news stories from the BBC and other reliable sources with clear facts, not my opinion [ (which insidently is not "personal hate against russia", as I have stated on many occasions, its their political decisions that worry me.) meanwhile you posted about 20 posts of your opinion on "nazis, EU, and novorossiya... ..if I may add, (novo)rossiyan terror, in sovereign Ukrainian territory.
@Don Enzo
thank you, I try.. ;-p
firstly I am differenciating media content from different sources, in countries where there is more media freedom the content is more balanced, as for russian propaganda it really has't changed much since the soviet union days - its one point "russia empire" view, it is honestly quite easy seeing thourgh it, if you know Polish history even more so, beaucse we had 50 years of it, and generally polish history of the late 80's is on many occasions very similar to what is happening in Ukraine now, only less violent, radical... and less at stake, in world peace context.
"Russia is evil beyond logic" - definatly not (and I never said that, despite rumpil's imagination of what I mean), my main problems are recent decisions, facts, the rethoric used, stunts and policies of the russian political elite.. which prolong the conflict, and were manipulative from the start, and obviously aggressive towards neighbouring countries, "russian goals" as you call them become more obvious and dangerous with every week, month... and I am not too optimistic about the eastern borders of other european countries in the future.
You do have a important point with your last sentence "They are at the center of this conflict, Russian support or not, and understanding why clearly has not been a priority." yet it's no reason for the violence that is taking place there, the pro-russian side started off in completlety different one might say opposite fashion to the catalans or scots asspirations for autonomy on soverignty), Maidan in essence was a relatively (relatively) peacful revolution, definatly in comparison to the brutal war which pro and russians are fighting now in soverign Ukraine, against the state. With support from one and only a beneficiary state (russia).
@diamanti[mmmj]
I never said anything about nazi's, its all rumpil's imagination or interpretation of what I mean + russian propaganda nonsense, I think my points are quite clear. Nazi's in Ukraine are obviously wrong in their aggresion, and frustration... and it was a mistake of the Ukrainian government to "use" or deal with them in any way... unfortunatly they didn't have much choice, as the right wings radicals are the most "dedcitated" to the same goal, goal of not braking Ukraine into two or three russia pupet states, the goal of defending their own country against russian invasion, and russian theft of resources and whole region/regions. (I think we all understand by know, that its all about resources from crimea and donetsk region, that russia selfishly wants, and can't have to revive their ever weaker economy)
@Fanakick
"I agree with you on every point." "...Since then neither of EU or Russia are doing anything to deescalate the conflict." - I respectfully disagree, EU intervention stopped the violence in maidan (there was no EU involvement before), and only then the "pro"russians started to take over Ukrainian state buildings, and russia invaded Crimea, to restart the conflict only on a wider and lets not forget, international scale for the first time. And just beacause some Ukrainians wave EU flags and what to join EU, does not mean that Janukovic was overthrown by EU, he was overthrown by his own countrymen, when he startred to overuse his power.. :] The cause for Russian intervention is (quite plane and clear) its their own selfish interest in this regions resources... and the goal of weakening a neighbouring state so that russian rulling elite can keep the nation at bay for longer, and keep themselves in power for longer along with their imperialistic soviet nostalgia aspirations. It is not a direct effect of EU intervention as some say, (its more conspiracy theories than reality), pls...
PS: 20th century Russian pride (which the russian public is fed) is built upon, "fighting nazis!... everywere" like on the 17 of september 1939... when russia started "saving Poland from the nazi's" "the official part line" from Moscow with their tanks.. (in reality according to the Ribbentrop Molotov Pact with Hitler "made earlier"...) and then occupying Poland for nearly half a century... forcing russian in schools, and striving towards the goal which they succeded in Belarus. Russifying a whole nation :-] And these are facts, not "anti-russian propaganda" or "russia hate" ... :-] .. historical facts.
Appeal of Polish intellectuals to the citizens and governments of Europe
Gdańsk, September 1, 2014
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Please, nobody make any react on this...but please, tell me your opinion.
This is maybe the most important fact which you all are ignoring. It seems that EU supported Ukraine shoot civilians plane down and now they want hide result and nobody in the west world cares ???
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11065413/Russia-demands-publication-of-recordings-from-downed-flight-MH17.html
This is maybe the most important fact which you all are ignoring. It seems that EU supported Ukraine shoot civilians plane down and now they want hide result and nobody in the west world cares ???
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11065413/Russia-demands-publication-of-recordings-from-downed-flight-MH17.html
PS: your are mixing up EU and NATO.
Both are only for fun. Look, nato has strict rules which poland and others are violated (like sending army to non-member).
By this I really dont know why NATO is here, its rules and principles can everybody broke.
On the other hand, EU dont have army, but EU members are sending there weapons. So it is really all for fun, the main point is that rules of EU and NATO are here just for fun and everybody in EU can do what he wants.
I am honestly completely not interested in anwsering to your putin like ;-) "Ukrainian facists" rubbish,
Give me answer just on previous link about hiding results of black boxes...you like facts, so this is western fact, just please give me your opinion on this.
Both are only for fun. Look, nato has strict rules which poland and others are violated (like sending army to non-member).
By this I really dont know why NATO is here, its rules and principles can everybody broke.
On the other hand, EU dont have army, but EU members are sending there weapons. So it is really all for fun, the main point is that rules of EU and NATO are here just for fun and everybody in EU can do what he wants.
I am honestly completely not interested in anwsering to your putin like ;-) "Ukrainian facists" rubbish,
Give me answer just on previous link about hiding results of black boxes...you like facts, so this is western fact, just please give me your opinion on this.
LOL :D
Come on, Please, nobody make any react on this .....
This is no fun for mister 'that's not my age but IQ', he can't post any of his brainless lunacy crap to answer that much reason. Your post is clearly way too complicated and overwhelming for him, so the only answer he can come up with is Please, nobody make any react on this and then post one of his many dumb questions.
This is really hilarious :D
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Come on, Please, nobody make any react on this .....
This is no fun for mister 'that's not my age but IQ', he can't post any of his brainless lunacy crap to answer that much reason. Your post is clearly way too complicated and overwhelming for him, so the only answer he can come up with is Please, nobody make any react on this and then post one of his many dumb questions.
This is really hilarious :D
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