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http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/rebel-leaders-accuse-ukraine-forces-of-breaking-ceasefire/article1-1260885.aspx

Ukraine forces did not accept cease-fire and are still attacking...how long the cease-fire last till they broke it ? Several hours :-(
People living in Doneck are saying that that Ukr. artillery start firing on 18:03 (maybe CET, I am not sure).

We should realize one difference, very important.

1. USA is going to open new bases in central or east europe. I hope we all know where is USA situated and where is central Europe :-)

2. Russia is going reopen orthern Fleet base in Arctic, I hope you can still realize, that we are talking about russian territory.


So, most people here thing, that defending means opening new bases on the border with enemy.
But sorry, my humble opinion is that defending means opening news bases at home and opening new bases on the borders of enemy is just prepare for ugly attack.

But I am weird :-D, am not I ?

But I am weird :-D, am not I ?

Another rhetorical question! You know the answer, many gave you the answer already without you asking for it. But I'm glad you finally came to the same conclussion. Now go troll on Youtube again, they love it overthere. Way more people will agree with your nonsense, Sokker is not the right place for your extreme biased headliners crap.

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charles only you you are troling all the time!
stop troling here, some mod must act with you, you are violating the forum rules...

You do know that backing up mega-troll rumpil makes you a troll also, right? Choose your friends carefully before you are the next joke.

:-D, instead of answer again useless posts, as usuall :-)

Answering you is completely useless. Everything you post is utter crap as you are completely blinded because of your love for Russia and Putin. And if people take the time to reply to you, your answer is always maximum trolling. Let me remind you, I did send you the links you asked for and your conclussion and response was just complete lunacy in a way only you can. You prove over and over again to everyone that you are a lost case, and everyone is telling you this but you keep posting your bs. You think everyone is crazy except you. It is the other way around, but you can't see that. Lost case ...
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Ah, I see what you mean. But in that case I don't think it's important, because I don't think it is a valid argument in any direction, i.e. what NATO did in Serbia doesn't make what happens in Ukraine worse nor better, and vice versa. If something is fine, it's fine, and if not, well, then it isn't :P But two wrongs don't make a right one. So, I don't accept "look at Kosovo" an an argument, and I wouldn't take "look at Ukraine" either. If someone believes to be doing the right thing, he/she can say it, but "well, at least we are not like X" doesn't work with me.

Having said that, I do accept it as an argument to laugh at the moral superiority anyone may pretend to have when discussing these issues. In other words: "action X by country Y is wrong" is a fine statement to make, whereas "country Y is morally inferior due to action X" is just laughable. Or any other way to frame particular conflicts into an "us & them" rhetoric.

I never told that I love Russia or Putin, in what media do you read it :-D?
I told that I would never want live there.
In this case, I just need stand on the side where is true, there is not bad or good, I know that there is also some russia part of quilty, but Russia did not start this conflict, just will end and save its people there. That is all.

Bull!

Try to fool someone else, everyone on this forum knows your crazy biased opinion based on propaganda, headliners and short 'news' for dummies. Or maybe you are fooling yourself ....

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look...red cross :-) and no artillery :-)
https://twitter.com/oysteinbogen/status/508292164934045698/photo/1

EDIT: you believe every pro-Russia and/or anti-Ukraine as being true ... What an easy victim you are for dumbass propaganda:

Google - military medical vehicles and Red Cross (ICRC) >> 2 different things!

What about Photoshop or even Paint? Check your 'facts' first yourself before you make dumb claims of telling the only 'truth'!


EDIT2: and what did you wrote about the white Russian trucks crossing the borders .....??

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Photoshop, Russian style! Just as a reminder for those dumbasses who fall for pictures on blogs and other unchecked websites as the only truth.






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Interesting. No way I can check these if all is real, but it shows how 'news' of that part of the world can be trusted. Only dumb people would believe the (pro)Russian news is telling the truth .... Sovjet style propaganda used again by KGB Putin!


Russia’s top 100 lies about Ukraine

Russia’s propaganda machine shows no signs of slowing down. To the contrary, it seems to have reached a new hysterical level of blatant disinformation, since Russian and pro-Russian terrorists in Ukraine are rapidly losing ground.

To attract reluctant “volunteers” into the trap of a misguided war machine, Russia wages twisted information war through its mainstream media, useful fools in the West and a legion of paid trolls. Russian disinformation locomotive twists the facts and invents entirely false stories, accompanied by deceptive imagery. When exposed, it attacks the debunkers, questioning their motives.

Russia’s mainstream media doesn’t operate according to the journalistic standards of the civilized world. It often uses social media as their sole sources for breaking news stories. Most of the time, Russian publications fail to retract falsified or entirely made up stories, even after they have been thoroughly debunked. Kremlin trolls operate the same way, intentionally spreading falsehoods to infect public opinion, propagate war-mongering and hatred. It’s important to recognize the information war in all of its ugly manifestations.

You can review previous installments of the series of articles exposing these falsehoods by visiting the following links:

http://www.stopfake.org/en/russia-s-top-lies-about-ukraine-part-1/

http://www.stopfake.org/en/russia-s-top-lies-about-ukraine-part-2/

http://www.stopfake.org/en/russia-s-top-lies-about-ukraine-part-3/

http://www.stopfake.org/en/russia-s-top-lies-about-ukraine-part-4/


Photoshopped by a Russian lying troll ... another one:


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Russia Is Following in Nazi Germany's Footsteps
By Andrei Malgin

I have always been puzzled by the question of how the great, highly cultured German people were transformed into a murderous horde of millions in only a few years. In hindsight, Hitler does not seem extraordinarily charismatic, and the ideas he articulated strike the modern listener as insane. So what exactly occurred in Germany that made the entire population, with rare exceptions, support fascism? And how did that metamorphosis happen so quickly?

What is most disturbing is that in today's Russia, fascist Germany no longer seems so distant or unique.

Recently, I found the following comments posted on my blog: "It is terrible. I even quarreled with my own mother over the situation in Ukraine."

"My colleagues at work have turned into zombies right before my eyes. They will not listen to anything, they only repeat the Russian state media's official line — that we need to save the Russians in Crimea from fascism."

"I cannot speak to my wife about politics. She has suddenly become a big fan of President Vladimir Putin and sees U.S. secret agents everywhere. I think she even suspects me of being an agent."

These are but a few examples of the posts appearing on my website. Russian society has been split, dividing friends and families, leaving no home untouched.

Putin's propaganda, which previously seemed so laughable, has suddenly hit the mark. In a few short days, the messages beamed through state-controlled television have effectively brainwashed the masses.

What do Russians want with Crimea? Sure, it used to be a favorite vacation spot in Soviet times, but nobody goes there now that it is cheaper and more convenient to vacation in Turkey or Egypt.

Why should Russia annex Crimea? Russians do not need visas to visit Ukraine, anyway. Just take a train or get in your car and drive there, as Russians have always done.

It is pointless to appeal to reason. Whenever you try to discuss the complicated issues surrounding Crimea, the Russian answer is always "It's ours!" They can offer no other explanation or rationale.

And if you say that the 3 million residents of Crimea live in poverty, that even by Russian standards the infrastructure there is in a state of decline, that Ukraine barely manages to keep the region afloat with government subsidies, and that now that entire economic burden will be transferred to Russia's budget, they only answer you with vacant stares and unconcern. They know only one thing: We need to save Crimea — immediately.

And if you ask them, "From what does Crimea need saving?" they will tell you, "From the followers of Bandera." They are referring to Stepan Bandera who fought the Red Army after the Soviet Union annexed western Ukraine. And when Bandera fought against the invading Germans, the Nazis sent him to the Sachsenhausen concentration camp. But where are these so-called "Banderas" in Crimea now? Can anybody point to a single one? Not even Russia's state-controlled television has yet to show a single follower of Bandera roaming the streets of Crimea in search of Russians to terrorize or kill. Nonetheless, Putin's propaganda insists that Russia must save the Crimea from the imminent threat posed by "Banderas" or other anti-Russian extremists.

To the question of who is persecuting Russians in Crimea and how they are doing it, you will hear only one stock answer in response. "They are forbidden to speak Russian."

However, the people of Crimea speak Russian just as openly and freely as anyone in Russia. In fact, there is only a single Ukrainian-language grade school on the entire peninsula. All the rest are Russian. Not only is there no ban on speaking Russian in Crimea, but no such ban ever existed and none is planned. And yet the people of Russia are convinced that somebody has prohibited the citizens of Crimea from speaking Russian.

Propaganda is a powerful tool, and it is most powerful when it propagates absolute lies — not half-truths, innuendo or silence, but pure fiction. When all the state-controlled television, radio and print media bombard Russians with the same lies around the clock, the large majority of people turn into mindless zombies over a span of just two or three days.

This same propaganda has even turned Putin into a zombie. Putin has fallen victim to his own lies. He has come to believe whatever fictions his own spin doctors concoct. Conversely, every one of those millions of brainwashed Russian zombies has a little Putin inside their head — a little national leader with the same hang-ups, fears, suppressed desires and prejudices. The result is that Russians are in complete unity with their ruler. It is time to face the facts: as scary as it sounds, this is the truth.

At the same time, we can draw hope from the fact that the gap between Putin's propaganda and objective reality will eventually grow so wide as to cause this artificial construct to collapse under its own weight. Any nation that has fundamentally lost its way and engages in self-destructive behavior is ultimately headed for disaster. The main concern is that Russia does not drag other nations down along with it into the abyss.

Sometimes, one must pass through a major disaster to finally see the light and answer the questions of: "Who am I really?" and "Why am I here?" The Germans paid a high price for that lesson. Now it is the Russians' turn.

Russian Neo-Nazis Fighting for Moscow in Ukraine, Ukrainian Jewish Leader Says
Paul Goble August 31, 2014

Staunton, August 30 – Iosif Zisels, the head of Vaad Ukrainy, the Association of Jewish Organizations and Communities of Ukraine, says that neo-Nazi organizations from Russia” are taking an active role in the pro-Moscow forces in eastern Ukraine, a reflection of the fact that “Russia is infected with the ideas of revanchism, which is very closely connected with fascism.”

Speaking in Kiev, Zisels says that there has existed in Russia “for more than 20 years a developed system of various neo-Nazi fascist organizations which come to the fore during times of rising tensions such as in Russia during the mid-1990s and [more recently] in Moldova and Georgia.

“Now,” he says, “they are operating in Ukraine.”

The most powerful of them is Russian National Unity under Aleksandr Barkashov. They have formations and symbols that recall those of Nazi Germany. Zisels says that he has information that Barkashov himself visited Ukraine in March and May and is currently in Donetsk. Along with him in the pro-Moscow formations is “fighting his son.”


Nationalist demonstrators carry their flags, and some of them raise their hands in a Nazi salute during a march to mark National Unity Day in Moscow

In addition to Barkashov’s group, the Ukrainian Jewish leader continues, other Russian fascist groups are now operating in Ukraine as well, including the Eurasian Youth Union of Aleksandr Dugin, the Other Russia of Eduard Limonov, the Black Hundred “and also individual activists” not affiliated with these groups.

The Russian neo-Nazis “do not have their own military units, but their members are included within other units,” a situation that in many ways is more ominous because it suggests that the views of such extremists are acceptable to the commanders of these entities and their Moscow backers.

Moreover, Zisels points out, “Russia in its interests is using also European neo-Nazis from various countries,” including as “observers” during the Crimean “referendum.” At that time, 33 of the 40 people Moscow brought in to support its position were “representatives of neo-Nazi organizations.”

Since the beginning of Russia’s intervention in Ukraine, Moscow propagandists have accused Ukraine of being “neo-Nazi” or worse. But the facts on the ground as Zisels and scholars like Andreas Umland have pointed out are that the neo-Nazis are to be found on the Russian side.