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Russian Neo-Nazis Fighting for Moscow in Ukraine, Ukrainian Jewish Leader Says
Paul Goble August 31, 2014
Staunton, August 30 – Iosif Zisels, the head of Vaad Ukrainy, the Association of Jewish Organizations and Communities of Ukraine, says that neo-Nazi organizations from Russia” are taking an active role in the pro-Moscow forces in eastern Ukraine, a reflection of the fact that “Russia is infected with the ideas of revanchism, which is very closely connected with fascism.”
Speaking in Kiev, Zisels says that there has existed in Russia “for more than 20 years a developed system of various neo-Nazi fascist organizations which come to the fore during times of rising tensions such as in Russia during the mid-1990s and [more recently] in Moldova and Georgia.
“Now,” he says, “they are operating in Ukraine.”
The most powerful of them is Russian National Unity under Aleksandr Barkashov. They have formations and symbols that recall those of Nazi Germany. Zisels says that he has information that Barkashov himself visited Ukraine in March and May and is currently in Donetsk. Along with him in the pro-Moscow formations is “fighting his son.”
Nationalist demonstrators carry their flags, and some of them raise their hands in a Nazi salute during a march to mark National Unity Day in Moscow
In addition to Barkashov’s group, the Ukrainian Jewish leader continues, other Russian fascist groups are now operating in Ukraine as well, including the Eurasian Youth Union of Aleksandr Dugin, the Other Russia of Eduard Limonov, the Black Hundred “and also individual activists” not affiliated with these groups.
The Russian neo-Nazis “do not have their own military units, but their members are included within other units,” a situation that in many ways is more ominous because it suggests that the views of such extremists are acceptable to the commanders of these entities and their Moscow backers.
Moreover, Zisels points out, “Russia in its interests is using also European neo-Nazis from various countries,” including as “observers” during the Crimean “referendum.” At that time, 33 of the 40 people Moscow brought in to support its position were “representatives of neo-Nazi organizations.”
Since the beginning of Russia’s intervention in Ukraine, Moscow propagandists have accused Ukraine of being “neo-Nazi” or worse. But the facts on the ground as Zisels and scholars like Andreas Umland have pointed out are that the neo-Nazis are to be found on the Russian side.
Paul Goble August 31, 2014
Staunton, August 30 – Iosif Zisels, the head of Vaad Ukrainy, the Association of Jewish Organizations and Communities of Ukraine, says that neo-Nazi organizations from Russia” are taking an active role in the pro-Moscow forces in eastern Ukraine, a reflection of the fact that “Russia is infected with the ideas of revanchism, which is very closely connected with fascism.”
Speaking in Kiev, Zisels says that there has existed in Russia “for more than 20 years a developed system of various neo-Nazi fascist organizations which come to the fore during times of rising tensions such as in Russia during the mid-1990s and [more recently] in Moldova and Georgia.
“Now,” he says, “they are operating in Ukraine.”
The most powerful of them is Russian National Unity under Aleksandr Barkashov. They have formations and symbols that recall those of Nazi Germany. Zisels says that he has information that Barkashov himself visited Ukraine in March and May and is currently in Donetsk. Along with him in the pro-Moscow formations is “fighting his son.”
Nationalist demonstrators carry their flags, and some of them raise their hands in a Nazi salute during a march to mark National Unity Day in Moscow
In addition to Barkashov’s group, the Ukrainian Jewish leader continues, other Russian fascist groups are now operating in Ukraine as well, including the Eurasian Youth Union of Aleksandr Dugin, the Other Russia of Eduard Limonov, the Black Hundred “and also individual activists” not affiliated with these groups.
The Russian neo-Nazis “do not have their own military units, but their members are included within other units,” a situation that in many ways is more ominous because it suggests that the views of such extremists are acceptable to the commanders of these entities and their Moscow backers.
Moreover, Zisels points out, “Russia in its interests is using also European neo-Nazis from various countries,” including as “observers” during the Crimean “referendum.” At that time, 33 of the 40 people Moscow brought in to support its position were “representatives of neo-Nazi organizations.”
Since the beginning of Russia’s intervention in Ukraine, Moscow propagandists have accused Ukraine of being “neo-Nazi” or worse. But the facts on the ground as Zisels and scholars like Andreas Umland have pointed out are that the neo-Nazis are to be found on the Russian side.
Chronicle of terror: Religious persecution by pro-Russian militants in east Ukraine
Tuesday, 19 August 2014
Militants from the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) and Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) terrorist organizations continue to steal, kill, and threaten priests/pastors and Christians in the separatist-controlled areas of eastern Ukraine.
Also, pro-Russian militants continue to seize church buildings and rehabilitation centers to serve as their headquarters, ammunition depots, and firing points from which they continually attack Ukrainian anti-terrorism forces.
Here are the facts from June to July, 2014, as summarized by the Institute for Religious Freedom:
On June 8, during the Trinity Sunday holiday, gunmen under the command of Russian Igor Girkin (Strelkov) kidnapped four members of the Transfiguration Evangelical Church in terrorist occupied Sloviansk, Donetsk Oblast.
Among them were deacons Volodymyr Velychko and Viktor Bradarskyi and Ruvym and Albert Pavenko, two adult sons of the church’s senior pastor. According to one of Sloviansk’s deputy prosecutors, who escaped the DNR’s captivity, the church members were tortured and shoot the next day, June 9, and some were burned in their own car to portray their deaths as the result of shelling from the Ukrainian army.
“The victims’ bodies were buried by the terrorists in a mass grave at the Children’s Hospital in Sloviansk, alongside the bodies of two dozen dead terrorists,” said Anton Herashchenko, advisor to the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MIA).
On June 14 in Mariupol, Donetsk Oblast, pro-Russian terrorists tragically killed Sergiy Skorobahach, pastor of the Restoration Protestant Church and chairman for the City Council of Churches. According to local residents and media sources, the pastor’s vehicle was shelled by DNR militants.
On June 15, armed militants looted the premises of the New Generation Evangelical Church in Horlivka, Donetsk Oblast. They stole computers and other equipment from the office, as well as legal documents related to the church’s charitable funds.
On June 16, armed members of the self-proclaimed DNR occupied the Word of Life Church’s building in Horlivka. “Yesterday, after the work day, there was a prayer meeting at the church. Men with guns came and demanded we open all the rooms. The kept us there for about 1.5 hours and then ordered us to leave. They told us that it would now serve as their headquarters and the building itself was nationalized,” one of parishioners said.
On June 17, militants in Donetsk seized the Evening Light Christian Rehabilitation Center. Initially terrorists captured 27 patients, then the head of the center and his assistant, all of whom were held in the basement. Fortunately, they were released the next day.
On June 19 they captured the Word of Life Evangelical Church in Torez (Donetsk Oblast), which is a member of the Protestant Church of Ukraine. “Armed people with Cossack Guard insignia stormed the church building. They ordered us to take the furniture and get out, insisting that these churches are sects and they will be destroyed. The people in the building were threatened with a firing squad if they made a fuss about the inccident,” said Donetsk pastor, Sergiy Kosiak.
On June 21, armed militants seized the Word of Life Protestant Church in Shakhtarsk, Donetsk Oblast. They also captured Pastor Nikolai Kalinichenko, who was later released, and stole his car. “The terrorists declared that, if the pastor continued to engage in religious activities, he would be shot,” a statement indicated. Later, media reported that the Word of Life Church building was used by terrorists of the DNR to hold men aged 20-40 years in order to forcefully recruit them into the militia’s ranks.
On June 26, militants broke into the building of the Evangelical Church of Winners in Druzhkivka, Donetsk Oblast, and took Pastor Pavlo Lisko and his wife to their headquarters. “Armed militants stole money, documents from the safe, and the office computer and took them along with the pastor and his wife to the militants’ headquarters, a building near the Druzhkivka City Council,” said a clergyman. The pastor and his wife were held captive in separate cells and accused of cooperating with Americans and giving assistance to people leaving Donbas. After almost a week of captivity, the church ministers were released.
On July 3, DNR terrorists in Donetsk took captive Greek Catholic priest Tykhon (Sergiy) Kulbaka. Prior to that, he repeatedly received threats, including his car being vandalized with graffiti of Nazi symbols.
Finally, on July 14, the priest was released from captivity by the militants, but with compromised health.
On July 3, Patriarch Filaret (Denisenko) of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church under the Kyiv Patriarchate (UOC-KP) stated that in the Luhansk region “worship services are not actually being held in our temples because the separatists-terrorists prohibit it.”
He also said that armed men threatened to execute UOC-KP Bishop of Luhansk and Starobelsk, Afanasiy (Yavrovskiy). Later, militants forcibly expelled the Bishop of Luhansk and also tampered with the brakes of his car, obviously hoping to cause an accident leading to his death.
On July 8, Donetsk terrorists kidnapped UOC-KP Archpriest Juriy Ivanov. “Earlier, separatists came to the priest’s home and demanded that he request an urgent visit from the Archbishop of the Kyivan Patriarchate in Donetsk, Sergiy (Gorobtsov), apparently with the intent of additional abductions,” said UOC-KP Archbishop, Yevstratiy (Zorya). On July 30, after three weeks of captivity, the priest was released and transported to a safe place.
On July 9, armed militants seized the Donetsk Christian University and read this order: due to the military situation in the city, the Donetsk Christian University will be made available to military units of the DNR, including all property, equipment, and other supplies and those who do not obey will face court-martial.
This was reported by former Rector, Mykhailo Cherenkov. He added that dorm residents and the University’s employees were kicked out, but on the next day they were allowed to take computers, documents, and personal belongings.
“At this moment, armed militants are living in the dorms of the Donetsk Christian University. The gates are blocked, there are checkpoints, people are being held prisoner on the property, and much of the militants’ weapons and equipment is being kept there,” said Oleg Shtein, University Vice-Rector of Administration, in comments to the IRF.
On July 15, Catholic priest Victor Vonsovych, of the Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ Parish in Horlivka and Donetsk Dean of the Roman Catholic Church, was arrested. He was held in the occupied SBU (Ukrainian Secret Service) building and was released from captivity on July 25. Militants warned the priest that he would be shot if he returned to Horlivka.
“Now they prey on Catholic priests,” said Bishop Stanislav Shyrokoradiuk from the Ordinary Kharkiv-Zaporizhia Diocese of the Roman Catholic Church. According to him, there are many provocations against peaceful civilians and the clergy are doing everything possible to rescue people.
On July 27, the Seventh Day Adventist Church in Debaltseve, Donetsk Oblast, was destroyed by artillery fire. The Church website said: “Directly opposite the church building was a deployment of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic’s militia. They hid in the bushes with weapons, alongside Grad, and began firing mortars. Gunmen used volley tactics, firing from one location and then quickly moving to another part of the city to continue firing.”
On July 27, near Ilovaisk, Pastor Oleksandr Kobzev of Christ Church was kidnapped. This was reported by Donetsk Mufti Said Ismagilov. The pastor’s location remains unknown.
These facts indicate that pro-Russian terrorists are deliberately attacking the religious communities they object to areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts under their control.
It should be recalled that in May 2014, the self-proclaimed “People’s Republic of Donetsk” declared in its “constitution” that, in their captured territories, “the original and dominant faith is Orthodox faith… adhering to the Russian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate).”
As reported by the IRF, the Council of Evangelical Protestant Churches of Ukraine called on the international community, including the monitoring missions of the UN, OSCE, Council of Europe and the EU, “to make an effort to prevent the continuation and escalation of religious intolerance in the areas of eastern Ukraine controlled by armed separatists.”
Tuesday, 19 August 2014
Militants from the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) and Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) terrorist organizations continue to steal, kill, and threaten priests/pastors and Christians in the separatist-controlled areas of eastern Ukraine.
Also, pro-Russian militants continue to seize church buildings and rehabilitation centers to serve as their headquarters, ammunition depots, and firing points from which they continually attack Ukrainian anti-terrorism forces.
Here are the facts from June to July, 2014, as summarized by the Institute for Religious Freedom:
On June 8, during the Trinity Sunday holiday, gunmen under the command of Russian Igor Girkin (Strelkov) kidnapped four members of the Transfiguration Evangelical Church in terrorist occupied Sloviansk, Donetsk Oblast.
Among them were deacons Volodymyr Velychko and Viktor Bradarskyi and Ruvym and Albert Pavenko, two adult sons of the church’s senior pastor. According to one of Sloviansk’s deputy prosecutors, who escaped the DNR’s captivity, the church members were tortured and shoot the next day, June 9, and some were burned in their own car to portray their deaths as the result of shelling from the Ukrainian army.
“The victims’ bodies were buried by the terrorists in a mass grave at the Children’s Hospital in Sloviansk, alongside the bodies of two dozen dead terrorists,” said Anton Herashchenko, advisor to the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MIA).
On June 14 in Mariupol, Donetsk Oblast, pro-Russian terrorists tragically killed Sergiy Skorobahach, pastor of the Restoration Protestant Church and chairman for the City Council of Churches. According to local residents and media sources, the pastor’s vehicle was shelled by DNR militants.
On June 15, armed militants looted the premises of the New Generation Evangelical Church in Horlivka, Donetsk Oblast. They stole computers and other equipment from the office, as well as legal documents related to the church’s charitable funds.
On June 16, armed members of the self-proclaimed DNR occupied the Word of Life Church’s building in Horlivka. “Yesterday, after the work day, there was a prayer meeting at the church. Men with guns came and demanded we open all the rooms. The kept us there for about 1.5 hours and then ordered us to leave. They told us that it would now serve as their headquarters and the building itself was nationalized,” one of parishioners said.
On June 17, militants in Donetsk seized the Evening Light Christian Rehabilitation Center. Initially terrorists captured 27 patients, then the head of the center and his assistant, all of whom were held in the basement. Fortunately, they were released the next day.
On June 19 they captured the Word of Life Evangelical Church in Torez (Donetsk Oblast), which is a member of the Protestant Church of Ukraine. “Armed people with Cossack Guard insignia stormed the church building. They ordered us to take the furniture and get out, insisting that these churches are sects and they will be destroyed. The people in the building were threatened with a firing squad if they made a fuss about the inccident,” said Donetsk pastor, Sergiy Kosiak.
On June 21, armed militants seized the Word of Life Protestant Church in Shakhtarsk, Donetsk Oblast. They also captured Pastor Nikolai Kalinichenko, who was later released, and stole his car. “The terrorists declared that, if the pastor continued to engage in religious activities, he would be shot,” a statement indicated. Later, media reported that the Word of Life Church building was used by terrorists of the DNR to hold men aged 20-40 years in order to forcefully recruit them into the militia’s ranks.
On June 26, militants broke into the building of the Evangelical Church of Winners in Druzhkivka, Donetsk Oblast, and took Pastor Pavlo Lisko and his wife to their headquarters. “Armed militants stole money, documents from the safe, and the office computer and took them along with the pastor and his wife to the militants’ headquarters, a building near the Druzhkivka City Council,” said a clergyman. The pastor and his wife were held captive in separate cells and accused of cooperating with Americans and giving assistance to people leaving Donbas. After almost a week of captivity, the church ministers were released.
On July 3, DNR terrorists in Donetsk took captive Greek Catholic priest Tykhon (Sergiy) Kulbaka. Prior to that, he repeatedly received threats, including his car being vandalized with graffiti of Nazi symbols.
Finally, on July 14, the priest was released from captivity by the militants, but with compromised health.
On July 3, Patriarch Filaret (Denisenko) of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church under the Kyiv Patriarchate (UOC-KP) stated that in the Luhansk region “worship services are not actually being held in our temples because the separatists-terrorists prohibit it.”
He also said that armed men threatened to execute UOC-KP Bishop of Luhansk and Starobelsk, Afanasiy (Yavrovskiy). Later, militants forcibly expelled the Bishop of Luhansk and also tampered with the brakes of his car, obviously hoping to cause an accident leading to his death.
On July 8, Donetsk terrorists kidnapped UOC-KP Archpriest Juriy Ivanov. “Earlier, separatists came to the priest’s home and demanded that he request an urgent visit from the Archbishop of the Kyivan Patriarchate in Donetsk, Sergiy (Gorobtsov), apparently with the intent of additional abductions,” said UOC-KP Archbishop, Yevstratiy (Zorya). On July 30, after three weeks of captivity, the priest was released and transported to a safe place.
On July 9, armed militants seized the Donetsk Christian University and read this order: due to the military situation in the city, the Donetsk Christian University will be made available to military units of the DNR, including all property, equipment, and other supplies and those who do not obey will face court-martial.
This was reported by former Rector, Mykhailo Cherenkov. He added that dorm residents and the University’s employees were kicked out, but on the next day they were allowed to take computers, documents, and personal belongings.
“At this moment, armed militants are living in the dorms of the Donetsk Christian University. The gates are blocked, there are checkpoints, people are being held prisoner on the property, and much of the militants’ weapons and equipment is being kept there,” said Oleg Shtein, University Vice-Rector of Administration, in comments to the IRF.
On July 15, Catholic priest Victor Vonsovych, of the Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ Parish in Horlivka and Donetsk Dean of the Roman Catholic Church, was arrested. He was held in the occupied SBU (Ukrainian Secret Service) building and was released from captivity on July 25. Militants warned the priest that he would be shot if he returned to Horlivka.
“Now they prey on Catholic priests,” said Bishop Stanislav Shyrokoradiuk from the Ordinary Kharkiv-Zaporizhia Diocese of the Roman Catholic Church. According to him, there are many provocations against peaceful civilians and the clergy are doing everything possible to rescue people.
On July 27, the Seventh Day Adventist Church in Debaltseve, Donetsk Oblast, was destroyed by artillery fire. The Church website said: “Directly opposite the church building was a deployment of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic’s militia. They hid in the bushes with weapons, alongside Grad, and began firing mortars. Gunmen used volley tactics, firing from one location and then quickly moving to another part of the city to continue firing.”
On July 27, near Ilovaisk, Pastor Oleksandr Kobzev of Christ Church was kidnapped. This was reported by Donetsk Mufti Said Ismagilov. The pastor’s location remains unknown.
These facts indicate that pro-Russian terrorists are deliberately attacking the religious communities they object to areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts under their control.
It should be recalled that in May 2014, the self-proclaimed “People’s Republic of Donetsk” declared in its “constitution” that, in their captured territories, “the original and dominant faith is Orthodox faith… adhering to the Russian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate).”
As reported by the IRF, the Council of Evangelical Protestant Churches of Ukraine called on the international community, including the monitoring missions of the UN, OSCE, Council of Europe and the EU, “to make an effort to prevent the continuation and escalation of religious intolerance in the areas of eastern Ukraine controlled by armed separatists.”
We agree on almost everything, yet I am not too sure about morality...
Some evil actions can be justified for the so called "greater good", if you ask me, only if we use reason, facts and math, hard numbers (of deaths for example) we can determine the truth - we can do that, despite propaganda and that it is often very hard. Who attacked who first, and more so we also can determine the motives and end up with a balanced view. Me killing Hitler, isn't "equally bad" to Stalin murdering four million ukrainians, it doesn't make it morally right... to kill a human being, but the greater good is more that obvious in this case.
But, back to my main point :-p, which was that the anti-american, anti-NATO "pulling us into another illegal war" nonsense or be it sense, is irrelevant to the issue at hand - the ukrainian conflict, the cause and effect lines are not connected, were as russian involvement, joining into a internal Ukrainian-conflict, revolution to make it a international, possibly global, and more violet war is obviously clear... yet some morons, still deny and try to justify that... with the putin like "facists" propaganda 99% nonsense.
two polish gazeta links, use google translate if you like..
1.Captured Russian soldier testifies: My unit supplies weapons to the separatists
2.The sad story of the little green man. He got a medal for the Crimea. In the Donbas he lost both his legs.
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Some evil actions can be justified for the so called "greater good", if you ask me, only if we use reason, facts and math, hard numbers (of deaths for example) we can determine the truth - we can do that, despite propaganda and that it is often very hard. Who attacked who first, and more so we also can determine the motives and end up with a balanced view. Me killing Hitler, isn't "equally bad" to Stalin murdering four million ukrainians, it doesn't make it morally right... to kill a human being, but the greater good is more that obvious in this case.
But, back to my main point :-p, which was that the anti-american, anti-NATO "pulling us into another illegal war" nonsense or be it sense, is irrelevant to the issue at hand - the ukrainian conflict, the cause and effect lines are not connected, were as russian involvement, joining into a internal Ukrainian-conflict, revolution to make it a international, possibly global, and more violet war is obviously clear... yet some morons, still deny and try to justify that... with the putin like "facists" propaganda 99% nonsense.
two polish gazeta links, use google translate if you like..
1.Captured Russian soldier testifies: My unit supplies weapons to the separatists
2.The sad story of the little green man. He got a medal for the Crimea. In the Donbas he lost both his legs.
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Another 'nice' one, a bit older news:
On April 15, 2014, masked men with a Russian flag posted anti-Semitic leaflets near the synagogue in Donetsk on behalf of Dennis Pushilin, the self-proclaimed ‘People’s Governor’ of the DNR.
“All citizens of Jewish nationality over 16 years of age residing in the territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic are required to apply for registration with the Acting Commissioner of Nationalities in room #514 of the Donetsk Regional Administration building prior to May 3, 2014. The registration fee is 50 USD,” the leaflet said.
Donetsk People's Republic chairman Denis Pushilin initially confirmed that the flyers were distributed by his organization, but denied any connection to the leaflet's content. Pushilin later denied at a press conference that the DPR had anything to do with the flyer, calling it provocation and a "complete lie".
According to Donetsk city chief rabbi Pinchas Vishedski, the press secretary of the self-proclaimed republic, Aleksander Kriakov, is "the most famous anti-Semite in the region," and believes the men were 'trying to use the Jewish community in Donetsk as an instrument in the conflict.'
On April 15, 2014, masked men with a Russian flag posted anti-Semitic leaflets near the synagogue in Donetsk on behalf of Dennis Pushilin, the self-proclaimed ‘People’s Governor’ of the DNR.
“All citizens of Jewish nationality over 16 years of age residing in the territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic are required to apply for registration with the Acting Commissioner of Nationalities in room #514 of the Donetsk Regional Administration building prior to May 3, 2014. The registration fee is 50 USD,” the leaflet said.
Donetsk People's Republic chairman Denis Pushilin initially confirmed that the flyers were distributed by his organization, but denied any connection to the leaflet's content. Pushilin later denied at a press conference that the DPR had anything to do with the flyer, calling it provocation and a "complete lie".
According to Donetsk city chief rabbi Pinchas Vishedski, the press secretary of the self-proclaimed republic, Aleksander Kriakov, is "the most famous anti-Semite in the region," and believes the men were 'trying to use the Jewish community in Donetsk as an instrument in the conflict.'
I read only headlines, these your posts are too long for me :-)
I will give you something shorter, new country is creating, be happy, cos this will lead to permanent peace :-)
I will give you something shorter, new country is creating, be happy, cos this will lead to permanent peace :-)
I read only headlines, these your posts are too long for me :-)
I know .............................
You really don't understand it, right? Eastern Ukraine wil never be independent, it will become part of Russia right away, probably with some illegal 'referendum'. And by giving eastern Ukraine to Russia the door is open for idiot Putin to steal more land of neighboring countries.
But he, your beloved Russia will never do that, right??
I know .............................
You really don't understand it, right? Eastern Ukraine wil never be independent, it will become part of Russia right away, probably with some illegal 'referendum'. And by giving eastern Ukraine to Russia the door is open for idiot Putin to steal more land of neighboring countries.
But he, your beloved Russia will never do that, right??
If they want be part of russia, so they can be protected, or just member of russian federation, have you problem with it ?
What if 60-70% of Scotland will ask for independence, the fact that they will be for ever part of GB is "occupation" :-) ?
What if 60-70% of Scotland will ask for independence, the fact that they will be for ever part of GB is "occupation" :-) ?
Scotland is not Ukraine, and England is not Russia. Stop repeating brainless propaganda nonsense and other pro-Russia bs you copy word for word from crappy websites and start thinking for yourself again.
Crimea is the way Russia deals with regions of neighboring countries. They first made a new law which gives Russia the 'right' to invade other countries to 'protect' the 'ethnic Russians' (loads of propaganda crap), then start rumours the 'ethnic Russians' are under some kind of attack (more propaganda crap) so there is some made-up reason to invade and occupy the land, start an illegal referendum with only 2 opions (ofcourse keep out the options they don't like) and next steal all resources. When finished, focus on new land to steal as the region is already completely destabilized, like eastern Ukraine.
But you have your own made up unrealistic pro-Russia nonsense story about this all, based on headliners, personal blogs and 3 minute videos on Youtube.
Crimea is the way Russia deals with regions of neighboring countries. They first made a new law which gives Russia the 'right' to invade other countries to 'protect' the 'ethnic Russians' (loads of propaganda crap), then start rumours the 'ethnic Russians' are under some kind of attack (more propaganda crap) so there is some made-up reason to invade and occupy the land, start an illegal referendum with only 2 opions (ofcourse keep out the options they don't like) and next steal all resources. When finished, focus on new land to steal as the region is already completely destabilized, like eastern Ukraine.
But you have your own made up unrealistic pro-Russia nonsense story about this all, based on headliners, personal blogs and 3 minute videos on Youtube.
"cease fire"
"The day before the begining of the NATO summit, under the sign of the Ukraine, the Russian president takes on the role of an angel of peace" - writes the German press. Commentators focus on starting today in the Welsh Newport NATO summit and announced in the eve of Putin's seven-point peace plan for Ukraine.
:-)
The word Kremlin means "fortress".
The making of a neo-KGB state (long, but worth reading to anyone really interested)
Ukraine: Vladimir Putin's military action reveals a wider plan
nice:
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"The day before the begining of the NATO summit, under the sign of the Ukraine, the Russian president takes on the role of an angel of peace" - writes the German press. Commentators focus on starting today in the Welsh Newport NATO summit and announced in the eve of Putin's seven-point peace plan for Ukraine.
:-)
The word Kremlin means "fortress".
The making of a neo-KGB state (long, but worth reading to anyone really interested)
Ukraine: Vladimir Putin's military action reveals a wider plan
nice:
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Stop repeating brainless propaganda nonsense and other pro-Russia bs you copy word for word from crappy websites and start thinking for yourself again.
The fact that 2 nations in Spain and one in England are under strong control doesnt mean that they didnt hope for own country :-). The only one difference is that Russia is not going to making troubles and revolts out of its borders as US/EU is doing, so there will never come "freedom fighters" - you know that army tourist which usually start a revolt on the world.
Crimea is part of Russia, why dont need talk about it anymore.
They first made a new law which gives Russia the 'right' to invade other countries to 'protect' the 'ethnic Russians'
Oh my god :-DD. Read this sentence below, it is same!
They first made a new law which gives USA the "right" to invade other countries to establish there freedom and democracy.
The fact that 2 nations in Spain and one in England are under strong control doesnt mean that they didnt hope for own country :-). The only one difference is that Russia is not going to making troubles and revolts out of its borders as US/EU is doing, so there will never come "freedom fighters" - you know that army tourist which usually start a revolt on the world.
Crimea is part of Russia, why dont need talk about it anymore.
They first made a new law which gives Russia the 'right' to invade other countries to 'protect' the 'ethnic Russians'
Oh my god :-DD. Read this sentence below, it is same!
They first made a new law which gives USA the "right" to invade other countries to establish there freedom and democracy.
Just one question, can he promise me some of my sins too ?
If yes, I will start prey :-D
If yes, I will start prey :-D
Russia is not going to making troubles and revolts out of its borders
TROLL!! they invaded Ukraine. How long are you going to act this way??
The Russian-Ukrainian border is the international state border between Russia and Ukraine, which formally exists since Ukraine's independence from the Soviet Union, on August 24, 1991. The border outlines five oblasts (regions) of Ukraine.
How can you say you are telling people the truth while everyone, including you knows that your are lying! Aren't you not even a bit ashamed of this behaviour? I really have no idea how you can justify all that lying of yours.
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TROLL!! they invaded Ukraine. How long are you going to act this way??
The Russian-Ukrainian border is the international state border between Russia and Ukraine, which formally exists since Ukraine's independence from the Soviet Union, on August 24, 1991. The border outlines five oblasts (regions) of Ukraine.
How can you say you are telling people the truth while everyone, including you knows that your are lying! Aren't you not even a bit ashamed of this behaviour? I really have no idea how you can justify all that lying of yours.
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"Russia is not going to making troubles and revolts out of its borders as US/EU is doing" - wrong.
...or even, almost exactly the opposite... if you missed it... the conflict is on russian border, and Ukrainie is not in the EU (EU intervention is down to one meaning - in reality, no conspiracies) ossetia, abkhazia.. even china!, russia is constatly doing that, that is the whole point...
...as for the US... their conflicts are nowhere near their borders... ;-) (ironically, but true)
+your statement is pure speculation, from the start, not fact - just nonsense, as usual.
As for the Scotland and Catalonia remark, I don't even want to go into how completely different the situations are... for starters there never was a donieck-lugansk?! republic or in reality, it was a line on Stalin's maps, and secondly Scots and Catalans are nowhere near as violent the russians are and were in ukrainie. You seem to be mixing up "freedom fitghting" with making up countries (with no own language or culture), by force, and definatly not for freedom... but for a more centralization under Moscow's rule, again its nearly the exact opposite of what you think or write it is...
but, you did hit on a important issue, just like Putin :-) you are judging the opposite side's actions by, your own standards... and that is were all the misunderstanding starts, and also where all the "anti-EU" crap falls apart... EU "taking over ukrainie" with US and NATO... ehh (also, "as a bad thing" of course) is only a paranoid imagination, of the Kremlin elite... that are feeding the russian public, and others... all this nonsense... few years ago when Putin was building up his GazProm, there was not a single problem with the EU...
"Crimea is part of Russia, why dont need talk about it anymore." - wrong again.
Crimea is a disputed territory, and stealing it over is the essence of this conflict, and or our dispute...
PS: In terms for russia and putin to understand Crimea theft, Poland military should send unmarked tanks and trucks to Lithuania for them to take over the Kaliningrad Oblast... from russia, I wonder how would russia react...? gain land, for loss of land would be a fair deal.
+another map
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...or even, almost exactly the opposite... if you missed it... the conflict is on russian border, and Ukrainie is not in the EU (EU intervention is down to one meaning - in reality, no conspiracies) ossetia, abkhazia.. even china!, russia is constatly doing that, that is the whole point...
...as for the US... their conflicts are nowhere near their borders... ;-) (ironically, but true)
+your statement is pure speculation, from the start, not fact - just nonsense, as usual.
As for the Scotland and Catalonia remark, I don't even want to go into how completely different the situations are... for starters there never was a donieck-lugansk?! republic or in reality, it was a line on Stalin's maps, and secondly Scots and Catalans are nowhere near as violent the russians are and were in ukrainie. You seem to be mixing up "freedom fitghting" with making up countries (with no own language or culture), by force, and definatly not for freedom... but for a more centralization under Moscow's rule, again its nearly the exact opposite of what you think or write it is...
but, you did hit on a important issue, just like Putin :-) you are judging the opposite side's actions by, your own standards... and that is were all the misunderstanding starts, and also where all the "anti-EU" crap falls apart... EU "taking over ukrainie" with US and NATO... ehh (also, "as a bad thing" of course) is only a paranoid imagination, of the Kremlin elite... that are feeding the russian public, and others... all this nonsense... few years ago when Putin was building up his GazProm, there was not a single problem with the EU...
"Crimea is part of Russia, why dont need talk about it anymore." - wrong again.
Crimea is a disputed territory, and stealing it over is the essence of this conflict, and or our dispute...
PS: In terms for russia and putin to understand Crimea theft, Poland military should send unmarked tanks and trucks to Lithuania for them to take over the Kaliningrad Oblast... from russia, I wonder how would russia react...? gain land, for loss of land would be a fair deal.
+another map
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I am just wonder, if there will be extra place for this part of Ukraine army in NATO in future :-)
http://rt.com/news/185708-nazi-symbols-ukrainian-troops/
TROLL!! they invaded Ukraine. How long are you going to act this way??
I told out of its border, buy a globe, Ukraine is Russia border. Tell me the name of country which russia "invaded" outside of this border. You know what I mean, I will give an example USA-Iraq, EU/USA-Lybia, and so....
So I was not lying, you just didnt read well and dont understand my statment. People says that my english is "simple", but I suppose my english is too hard for some :-D
http://rt.com/news/185708-nazi-symbols-ukrainian-troops/
TROLL!! they invaded Ukraine. How long are you going to act this way??
I told out of its border, buy a globe, Ukraine is Russia border. Tell me the name of country which russia "invaded" outside of this border. You know what I mean, I will give an example USA-Iraq, EU/USA-Lybia, and so....
So I was not lying, you just didnt read well and dont understand my statment. People says that my english is "simple", but I suppose my english is too hard for some :-D