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MH17: Malaysia Airlines plane 'split into pieces during flight'
09 Sep 2014
Dutch investigators say crash of Malaysia Airlines flight over eastern Ukraine was likely caused by 'a large number of high-energy objects' from outside the aircraft
The wreckage of the Malaysia Airlines MH17, pictured a day after it crashed Photo: AFP/Getty
Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, which was shot down over eastern Ukraine in July, broke up in mid-air "as the result of structural damage caused by a large number of high-energy objects that penetrated the aircraft from outside", according to a preliminary report published Tuesday by the Dutch Safety Board (DSB).
The report said there was no evidence of technical faults or an emergency situation prior to the crash, which killed all 298 of its passengers.
The flight proceeded as normal until coming to an abrupt end at 1.20pm on July 17, according to the report, and the flight's cockpit voice recorder gave no evidence of warning tones or an emergency situation in the cockpit prior to the break-up of the aircraft.
The DSB report does not apportion blame for the crash or mention that the plane may have been hit by a missile, but its conclusion that MH17 was hit by a "large number of high-energy objects" appears to be consistent with suspicion that the plane was brought down by a BUK surface-to-air missile, which breaks into shrapnel shortly before it hits its target.
Russian-backed separatists have been accused of shooting down the plane with a Moscow-supplied BUK missile. Russia has denied any involvement in the incident, claiming initially that the Ukrainian air force was to blame.
DSB investigators have been unable to visit the site in the war-torn Donetsk region due to the continued fighting and have relied on information from Ukrainian crash specialists for information from the scene.
But its report says that the pattern of wreckage on the ground, studied in images of the crash scene, suggests that the aircraft split into pieces during flight.
The report's findings are based on information from the aircraft's flight data recorders, pictures and video taken at the scene, as well as information supplied by Ukranian air traffic control.
Debris at the crash site of MH17 of Malaysian Airlines (ALAMY)
The DSB has not apportioned blame for the disaster, stating that the sole intention of the preliminary report is to determine the cause of the crash.
A seperate criminal investigation - the largest of its kind in Dutch history - is being carried out by investigators at the Hague. A full report from the DSB is expected around the middle of next year.
Tjibbe Joustra, chairman of the Dutch Safety Board, said that the incident had "shocked the world and raised many questions".
"The Dutch Safety Board wishes to determine the cause of the crash, for the sake of the loved ones of the victims and for society at large.
"The initial results of the investigation point towards an external cause of the MH17 crash. More research will be necessary to determine the cause with greater precision. The Safety Board believes that additional evidence will become available for investigation in the period ahead.
“The preliminary report issues the first findings in an ongoing investigation. From this point on, the investigation team will be working towards producing its final report. The Board aims to publish this report within one year of the date of the crash.”
People walk among the debris at the crash site (AP)
Shortly after the crash forensic experts travelled to the site to collect victims' bodies, but that search has also been suspended due to heavy fighting in the area.
So far 193 victims of flight MH17 have been identified.
Meanwhile, Ukraine has accused pro-Russian rebels of waging fresh attacks in the east putting a fragile truce backed by Kiev and Moscow in peril.
It is hoped that air crash investigators will be able to return to the site if the ceasefire holds, but analysts said it was too early yet to make an assessment on the team's security.
09 Sep 2014
Dutch investigators say crash of Malaysia Airlines flight over eastern Ukraine was likely caused by 'a large number of high-energy objects' from outside the aircraft
The wreckage of the Malaysia Airlines MH17, pictured a day after it crashed Photo: AFP/Getty
Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, which was shot down over eastern Ukraine in July, broke up in mid-air "as the result of structural damage caused by a large number of high-energy objects that penetrated the aircraft from outside", according to a preliminary report published Tuesday by the Dutch Safety Board (DSB).
The report said there was no evidence of technical faults or an emergency situation prior to the crash, which killed all 298 of its passengers.
The flight proceeded as normal until coming to an abrupt end at 1.20pm on July 17, according to the report, and the flight's cockpit voice recorder gave no evidence of warning tones or an emergency situation in the cockpit prior to the break-up of the aircraft.
The DSB report does not apportion blame for the crash or mention that the plane may have been hit by a missile, but its conclusion that MH17 was hit by a "large number of high-energy objects" appears to be consistent with suspicion that the plane was brought down by a BUK surface-to-air missile, which breaks into shrapnel shortly before it hits its target.
Russian-backed separatists have been accused of shooting down the plane with a Moscow-supplied BUK missile. Russia has denied any involvement in the incident, claiming initially that the Ukrainian air force was to blame.
DSB investigators have been unable to visit the site in the war-torn Donetsk region due to the continued fighting and have relied on information from Ukrainian crash specialists for information from the scene.
But its report says that the pattern of wreckage on the ground, studied in images of the crash scene, suggests that the aircraft split into pieces during flight.
The report's findings are based on information from the aircraft's flight data recorders, pictures and video taken at the scene, as well as information supplied by Ukranian air traffic control.
Debris at the crash site of MH17 of Malaysian Airlines (ALAMY)
The DSB has not apportioned blame for the disaster, stating that the sole intention of the preliminary report is to determine the cause of the crash.
A seperate criminal investigation - the largest of its kind in Dutch history - is being carried out by investigators at the Hague. A full report from the DSB is expected around the middle of next year.
Tjibbe Joustra, chairman of the Dutch Safety Board, said that the incident had "shocked the world and raised many questions".
"The Dutch Safety Board wishes to determine the cause of the crash, for the sake of the loved ones of the victims and for society at large.
"The initial results of the investigation point towards an external cause of the MH17 crash. More research will be necessary to determine the cause with greater precision. The Safety Board believes that additional evidence will become available for investigation in the period ahead.
“The preliminary report issues the first findings in an ongoing investigation. From this point on, the investigation team will be working towards producing its final report. The Board aims to publish this report within one year of the date of the crash.”
People walk among the debris at the crash site (AP)
Shortly after the crash forensic experts travelled to the site to collect victims' bodies, but that search has also been suspended due to heavy fighting in the area.
So far 193 victims of flight MH17 have been identified.
Meanwhile, Ukraine has accused pro-Russian rebels of waging fresh attacks in the east putting a fragile truce backed by Kiev and Moscow in peril.
It is hoped that air crash investigators will be able to return to the site if the ceasefire holds, but analysts said it was too early yet to make an assessment on the team's security.
I told you, they take them some rights (language and so).
So Crimea case was solved by Russians and there was not need rebelions.
People in Doneck and Luganst didnt have so luck so they refuse changes and right sector toghter with government start attacking. Yes, they refused accept new laws which take them their rights so Kiev had to give them a lesson. But people there can fight too, so Kiev lose.
You had to watch and read much more about the problem, you can not think that you will find out the prove in mainstream :-).
So Crimea case was solved by Russians and there was not need rebelions.
People in Doneck and Luganst didnt have so luck so they refuse changes and right sector toghter with government start attacking. Yes, they refused accept new laws which take them their rights so Kiev had to give them a lesson. But people there can fight too, so Kiev lose.
You had to watch and read much more about the problem, you can not think that you will find out the prove in mainstream :-).
what is new is this crap article ??
as likely caused by 'a large number of high-energy objects' from outside the aircraft
We know this last monts, so what is new ? The new is if there are facts/proves which can say more about attacker or source of damage. And prove is not some statments, but prove can be find in source data which are mark as secret and nobody excep some will never see it !!!!
This report is totally useless, it doesnt say anything new..... just that source data are secret so russia can not reveal the prove :-)
as likely caused by 'a large number of high-energy objects' from outside the aircraft
We know this last monts, so what is new ? The new is if there are facts/proves which can say more about attacker or source of damage. And prove is not some statments, but prove can be find in source data which are mark as secret and nobody excep some will never see it !!!!
This report is totally useless, it doesnt say anything new..... just that source data are secret so russia can not reveal the prove :-)
No one is blamed yet because that will have serious consequences for that group or country. Other than the absolutely propaganda nonsense you keep posting, these investigators check and double check real facts. These are not some idiots who have their own blogs with biased nonsense which is justed by other who don't have a clue about 'facts' either.
So it's not useless, it is the outcome after extensive research done by people who actually know what they are doing. But I know, for you facts and professionals are useless ....
And nobody expect anything? With 'everybody' you mean biased people like you who believe that brainless pro-Russia propaganda crap? Another one of your dumb comments!
And again, when are you going to show me proof of your claim why Russia had to attack Crimea and eastern Ukraine? 'Not in mainstream' is your common troll answer. If it is so clear, show me proof. You give non ... so you are making things up, that's what liars do.
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So it's not useless, it is the outcome after extensive research done by people who actually know what they are doing. But I know, for you facts and professionals are useless ....
And nobody expect anything? With 'everybody' you mean biased people like you who believe that brainless pro-Russia propaganda crap? Another one of your dumb comments!
And again, when are you going to show me proof of your claim why Russia had to attack Crimea and eastern Ukraine? 'Not in mainstream' is your common troll answer. If it is so clear, show me proof. You give non ... so you are making things up, that's what liars do.
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it is really funny connect this two statments:
these investigators check and double check real facts.
and fact
source data of black boxes are secret
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extensive research done by people who actually know what they are doing.
So just some, the choose one ? Why Slovakia can not look on source data to reveal the truth :-) ? Tell me, why it is secret ?
I have the only one reason, you know what it is, but tell my your opinion, why slovakia, russia, usa or India can not check that source data :-). I can send them my SSD card, if they dont have one.
And again, when are you going to show me proof of your claim why Russia had to attack Crimea and eastern Ukraine?
read last 100 pages and you will find it out :-)
these investigators check and double check real facts.
and fact
source data of black boxes are secret
---------
extensive research done by people who actually know what they are doing.
So just some, the choose one ? Why Slovakia can not look on source data to reveal the truth :-) ? Tell me, why it is secret ?
I have the only one reason, you know what it is, but tell my your opinion, why slovakia, russia, usa or India can not check that source data :-). I can send them my SSD card, if they dont have one.
And again, when are you going to show me proof of your claim why Russia had to attack Crimea and eastern Ukraine?
read last 100 pages and you will find it out :-)
If you want answers about this investigation, don't ask me but read the outcome of this investigation. You can read it all yourself, no need to ask me. And you can find more info about it on the internet very easily, just type in Google 'MH17' and set 'last 24 hours', that's how open this info is. But as always, be carefull you don't open your shitty pro-Russian websites as their outcome will most probably all based on crap, or important parts are left out, or changed in favor of Russia.
read last 100 pages and you will find it out :-)
I'm pretty sure on non of these pages you have posted any proof the 'etnic Russian' where under attack before the invasion of Russia. So you must be lying, that's the only conclussion I can make if you make claims which you can't proof at all, nothing. As I told you already, you can't be trusted. Ones a liar, always a liar.
read last 100 pages and you will find it out :-)
I'm pretty sure on non of these pages you have posted any proof the 'etnic Russian' where under attack before the invasion of Russia. So you must be lying, that's the only conclussion I can make if you make claims which you can't proof at all, nothing. As I told you already, you can't be trusted. Ones a liar, always a liar.
you are the biggest poo liar on the world, we all know it, and you should be ashamed... I am just not sure, if it is suitable that you are repeating this lie every 5th post, 100times repeated lie will be not true Charles.
As a lot of people told me, you are just an .... we know it, and you ask your friends for answer :-).
As a lot of people told me, you are just an .... we know it, and you ask your friends for answer :-).
I don't make up stories which I can't proof. That's what you are doing, you are the liar. And when you have nothing to say anymore you start to call me for no apparent reason a liar. How childish can you be ...
Anyway, proof your claims, or just admit you make stuff up to protect your beloved Russia. Your last posts show more and more you have nothing to prove and you are really nothing more than a liar.
And not that it is any of your concern, but my friends know me, they know I'm really disgusted by lying, hypocracy, unfairness, trolling, childish taunting, intentional ignorance, etc. They understand very well why I hate these kind of people.
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Anyway, proof your claims, or just admit you make stuff up to protect your beloved Russia. Your last posts show more and more you have nothing to prove and you are really nothing more than a liar.
And not that it is any of your concern, but my friends know me, they know I'm really disgusted by lying, hypocracy, unfairness, trolling, childish taunting, intentional ignorance, etc. They understand very well why I hate these kind of people.
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You lie in every your post here :-).
1. You said that in your national newspaper are information about invasion, you give me link and I used google translator and find out that there was no one article which was talking about invasion :-)
2. You are accusing without proves russia nation every day, accusing without prove is lie too :-). But there is verifiable fact that there is just one country which send there humanitarian aid and which help to set up peace just by advise and recomendatoins in Ukrainian civil war conflict. You know what country it is !
2. A lot of your ansers dont have answer, you are just trolling and this is your defence against proving you that you are liar. But we know it already.
3. I would like let this thread clean without useless stupid comments on who is not who is not a liar. Please, let's go back just to point, others dont need read about you lying character. I will allow you one answer on theme liar and I will not react, but if you will still hold this type of spam here, you know what I will have to do :-D
1. You said that in your national newspaper are information about invasion, you give me link and I used google translator and find out that there was no one article which was talking about invasion :-)
2. You are accusing without proves russia nation every day, accusing without prove is lie too :-). But there is verifiable fact that there is just one country which send there humanitarian aid and which help to set up peace just by advise and recomendatoins in Ukrainian civil war conflict. You know what country it is !
2. A lot of your ansers dont have answer, you are just trolling and this is your defence against proving you that you are liar. But we know it already.
3. I would like let this thread clean without useless stupid comments on who is not who is not a liar. Please, let's go back just to point, others dont need read about you lying character. I will allow you one answer on theme liar and I will not react, but if you will still hold this type of spam here, you know what I will have to do :-D
But there is verifiable fact that there is just one country which send there humanitarian aid and which help to set up peace just by advise and recomendatoins in Ukrainian civil war conflict. You know what country it is !
Omg, i dont know, which one is it? :)
Omg, i dont know, which one is it? :)
I gave you links about the news in my country to show you we are not overwhelmed by some dumb propaganda like that crap you keep showing, IF you use links at all.
Besides, you know how to write 'Ukraine', 'Crimea' and 'invasion' in Dutch, or use translator, so start Googling yourself. And you have shown me I should not give you links that you will certainly misuse in this forum by changing the concept of it all. You are blinded by your love for Russia and hate against the US/EU/NATO so everything that I post is read with that blindness of yours. Completely useless. And if you can't find something to use against me or others, you will make up stories yourself and lie about it.
And other than you, I post news articles that you can read and check yourself. You just copy dumb propaganda from Youtube, rt Kremlin news, Twitter and blogs ... and you call it 'not mainstream', people who want facts call this homemade nonsense. But hee, as you already wrote, an extensive investigation done by real professionals and the outcome readable for everyone is according to you useless. Twitter is way more trustworthy, right?
So no, as long as you post nonsense without any proof or any sign of understanding what is going on, I will call you a liar because that's what you are if you make up stories and say you are using 'facts' without any proof whatsoever. If you don't want to be called a liar, proof your claims!! It's that easy.
EDIT: and you should follow your own advice: read the last 100 pages and start wondering why most people don't want to answer your questions and why most people are making it clear to you you post biased nonsense. Just to refresh your memory, I'm absolutely not the only one telling you this.
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Besides, you know how to write 'Ukraine', 'Crimea' and 'invasion' in Dutch, or use translator, so start Googling yourself. And you have shown me I should not give you links that you will certainly misuse in this forum by changing the concept of it all. You are blinded by your love for Russia and hate against the US/EU/NATO so everything that I post is read with that blindness of yours. Completely useless. And if you can't find something to use against me or others, you will make up stories yourself and lie about it.
And other than you, I post news articles that you can read and check yourself. You just copy dumb propaganda from Youtube, rt Kremlin news, Twitter and blogs ... and you call it 'not mainstream', people who want facts call this homemade nonsense. But hee, as you already wrote, an extensive investigation done by real professionals and the outcome readable for everyone is according to you useless. Twitter is way more trustworthy, right?
So no, as long as you post nonsense without any proof or any sign of understanding what is going on, I will call you a liar because that's what you are if you make up stories and say you are using 'facts' without any proof whatsoever. If you don't want to be called a liar, proof your claims!! It's that easy.
EDIT: and you should follow your own advice: read the last 100 pages and start wondering why most people don't want to answer your questions and why most people are making it clear to you you post biased nonsense. Just to refresh your memory, I'm absolutely not the only one telling you this.
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I would just like to add.. that I love how "more knowledgeable" rumpil is than the collective knowledge of almost all UN, definitely EU governments stance on the subject, except one. :-D He must be a genius... I just love it.
LOL... you want deny that russian send there humanitarian aid ?
Even red cross know about it....
And...did you hear about meeting for cease-fire in Belarus ?
Even red cross know about it....
And...did you hear about meeting for cease-fire in Belarus ?
you know...I dont read too long spam posts, so sorry :-)
it is not about knowledge, it is about lying and manipulation...
lol, "it is not about knowledge, it is about lying and manipulation..." for you, yes... exactly.