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1 week to the Scottish Independence Referendum.
And what do you think about this?
If the scottish want indipendence they MUST create a new currency for their own.
If they stay with pound they will be enslaved by BoE and England gov much worse than a colony.
If they fall in the euro trap, they will be sunk by the european titanic.
And what do you think about this?
If the scottish want indipendence they MUST create a new currency for their own.
If they stay with pound they will be enslaved by BoE and England gov much worse than a colony.
If they fall in the euro trap, they will be sunk by the european titanic.
firstly, Scottish referendum poll tracker , so far its a straight 'NO' (to independence) in the polls.
...and secondly not much would actually change... as UK is already so interconnected economically by now, multicultural... and small in a sense... (especially Scotland alone - on the global, or even EU market scale) that its far too late for the independence to make any sense, sure some radical nationalists will be happy, but in reality it be near irrelevant from a broader picture. Some things would be easier, some things would be more difficult for the average businessman, which is the most important aspect of this "fight"... freedom and security is already in place.
As for the currency its also much more complicated, pound is still one of the strongest and stable currencies around, so leaving it would be suicidal.. euro is euro (its about timing), I won't comment... but for the UK as a whole not much can change... as it's already run almost autonomously from the 'city of london' corporations, and banks. And generally seperation of any sort is bad, for both sides, and unity far more beneficial...
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iluminati , NWO... rumpil.. tam dam damn daammm.
Obama broadens military campaign against 'Islamic State' - quite an important 9 11! speech... It means as much as it doesn't, US might go into Syria.. but equally they can keep on doing what they did anywhere else... and we have a much stronger shift of interest, from the ukraine crisis to IS...
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...and secondly not much would actually change... as UK is already so interconnected economically by now, multicultural... and small in a sense... (especially Scotland alone - on the global, or even EU market scale) that its far too late for the independence to make any sense, sure some radical nationalists will be happy, but in reality it be near irrelevant from a broader picture. Some things would be easier, some things would be more difficult for the average businessman, which is the most important aspect of this "fight"... freedom and security is already in place.
As for the currency its also much more complicated, pound is still one of the strongest and stable currencies around, so leaving it would be suicidal.. euro is euro (its about timing), I won't comment... but for the UK as a whole not much can change... as it's already run almost autonomously from the 'city of london' corporations, and banks. And generally seperation of any sort is bad, for both sides, and unity far more beneficial...
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iluminati , NWO... rumpil.. tam dam damn daammm.
Obama broadens military campaign against 'Islamic State' - quite an important 9 11! speech... It means as much as it doesn't, US might go into Syria.. but equally they can keep on doing what they did anywhere else... and we have a much stronger shift of interest, from the ukraine crisis to IS...
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that its far too late for the independence to make any sense
I disagree, indipendence is a good idea economically (the bigger, the better is one of the thing I can't understand..)
pound is still one of the strongest and stable currencies around, so leaving it would be suicidal..
LOL, this show that you don't know how and why the currencies float.
Indipendence without monetary sovereignity is a suicide (just read ONE economist at your choice)
About Obama, he needs to start some war for both electoral and economic reasons. so he started the ukrainian crisis during olympics and is trying to create a war to destabilish syria in order to intervene in that zone that UAE-USA still doesn't control of the area.
I disagree, indipendence is a good idea economically (the bigger, the better is one of the thing I can't understand..)
pound is still one of the strongest and stable currencies around, so leaving it would be suicidal..
LOL, this show that you don't know how and why the currencies float.
Indipendence without monetary sovereignity is a suicide (just read ONE economist at your choice)
About Obama, he needs to start some war for both electoral and economic reasons. so he started the ukrainian crisis during olympics and is trying to create a war to destabilish syria in order to intervene in that zone that UAE-USA still doesn't control of the area.
Independence can be good or bad, for one od the sides... (and generally separation is bad for both, and keeping together is good for both) I am not saying smaller states are worse off generally, because they are not, I didn't make a absolutist statement like you did... (Switzerland is doing just fine...), only for Scotland would hardly be better off without the UK and city of London in particular, as they have less of almost everything... You can read the 5 reasons in the link above "some things would be more difficult" ...
Yes currencies float, and I do agree with what yor write: "Indipendence without monetary sovereignity is a suicide", having said that, proposed Scotish currency would be much more vulnerable to everything, than the steady and commonly used around the world pound. Also that is one of the reasons that this Idependece at this point of history for Scotland, doesn't make much sense economically, as Britain is doing just fine by worlds (unfortunately low) economic standards, and Scotland on its own would definatly have a harder time... but that is their decision to make...
"so he started the ukrainian crisis during olympics" so now, Obama.. :-D not the NWO iluminati by any chance?? lol, zero proof = 1oo% nonsense.
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Yes currencies float, and I do agree with what yor write: "Indipendence without monetary sovereignity is a suicide", having said that, proposed Scotish currency would be much more vulnerable to everything, than the steady and commonly used around the world pound. Also that is one of the reasons that this Idependece at this point of history for Scotland, doesn't make much sense economically, as Britain is doing just fine by worlds (unfortunately low) economic standards, and Scotland on its own would definatly have a harder time... but that is their decision to make...
"so he started the ukrainian crisis during olympics" so now, Obama.. :-D not the NWO iluminati by any chance?? lol, zero proof = 1oo% nonsense.
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and generally separation is bad for both, and keeping together is good for both
LOl, generally when? where do you see an example of it?
I think this is simply wrong in fatcs.
Yes currencies float, and I do agree with what yor write: "Indipendence without monetary sovereignity is a suicide", having said that, proposed Scotish currency would be much more vulnerable to everything, than the steady and commonly used around the world pound.
why?
and so?
I think this is what someone write when he doesn't understand the currencies floating.
Why the currencies floats? Because of speculations? LOL...
Because of trade balance!
" so now, Obama.. :-D not the NWO iluminati by any chance?? lol, zero proof = 1oo% nonsense.
If only people that pretend to discuss about something will have the will to read...
Go to google and find: wikileaks usa ukraine. then read.
LOl, generally when? where do you see an example of it?
I think this is simply wrong in fatcs.
Yes currencies float, and I do agree with what yor write: "Indipendence without monetary sovereignity is a suicide", having said that, proposed Scotish currency would be much more vulnerable to everything, than the steady and commonly used around the world pound.
why?
and so?
I think this is what someone write when he doesn't understand the currencies floating.
Why the currencies floats? Because of speculations? LOL...
Because of trade balance!
" so now, Obama.. :-D not the NWO iluminati by any chance?? lol, zero proof = 1oo% nonsense.
If only people that pretend to discuss about something will have the will to read...
Go to google and find: wikileaks usa ukraine. then read.
... I am sorry, but I am too tired to answer to this... eh... speculation of yours.
...the scotish currency would be immune to everything, the pound is bad... obama started ukraine conflict... and so on... you don't even have to start...
I support whatever the Scots choose, its their choice. Personally I believe it won't make much difference, and your currency argument is too far fetched to even comment. Ciao!
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...the scotish currency would be immune to everything, the pound is bad... obama started ukraine conflict... and so on... you don't even have to start...
I support whatever the Scots choose, its their choice. Personally I believe it won't make much difference, and your currency argument is too far fetched to even comment. Ciao!
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(and generally separation is bad for both, and keeping together is good for both)
But then why did Poland become a separate state again every time?
You got plenty of chances to "keep together" with someone... :P
Whether it's good or bad depends on many things. One is administration efficiency: what is the optimal size of an administration to better carry out its duties and keep closer to its citizens' will at the same time? This is an open, ongoing research topic. I don't think we can easily provide an answer like "Scotland is too small" or "the UK is too big". Of course, one thing is the optimal size assuming the best possible institutions given size, and a different thing is the optimal size given some institutions before and after independence, neither of which need to be "optimal" in any sense.
Yet another issue is which kind of borders should exist between two separate administrations - what should independence mean. In that sense, independence + joining EU seems more reasonable. Many of the problems Scotland could face after independence are the same problems things like the EU are meant to tackle. In other words, having independent countries doesn't mean you have to run them badly :P
So I don't know if independence is a good idea or not for Scotland (apparently they don't know either - the polls you linked show that, as undecided voters get decided, we start to witness a tie), but I'm glad they'll get to decide it, and that their opinion will be binding. Just like Czechs ans Slovaks got their peaceful separation, I don't see why it can't be as harmless for them. Even more violent cases like Yugoslavia don't seem to be worse off because of independence. Some of them have even joined the EU while others have not. Ironically, that might be the case of Scotland too: with the British government announcing a referendum about EU membership to content UKIP-like voters, independence may end up being Scotland's only option to remain in the EU...
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But then why did Poland become a separate state again every time?
You got plenty of chances to "keep together" with someone... :P
Whether it's good or bad depends on many things. One is administration efficiency: what is the optimal size of an administration to better carry out its duties and keep closer to its citizens' will at the same time? This is an open, ongoing research topic. I don't think we can easily provide an answer like "Scotland is too small" or "the UK is too big". Of course, one thing is the optimal size assuming the best possible institutions given size, and a different thing is the optimal size given some institutions before and after independence, neither of which need to be "optimal" in any sense.
Yet another issue is which kind of borders should exist between two separate administrations - what should independence mean. In that sense, independence + joining EU seems more reasonable. Many of the problems Scotland could face after independence are the same problems things like the EU are meant to tackle. In other words, having independent countries doesn't mean you have to run them badly :P
So I don't know if independence is a good idea or not for Scotland (apparently they don't know either - the polls you linked show that, as undecided voters get decided, we start to witness a tie), but I'm glad they'll get to decide it, and that their opinion will be binding. Just like Czechs ans Slovaks got their peaceful separation, I don't see why it can't be as harmless for them. Even more violent cases like Yugoslavia don't seem to be worse off because of independence. Some of them have even joined the EU while others have not. Ironically, that might be the case of Scotland too: with the British government announcing a referendum about EU membership to content UKIP-like voters, independence may end up being Scotland's only option to remain in the EU...
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... I am sorry, but I am too tired to answer to this... eh... speculation of yours.
...the scotish currency would be immune to everything, the pound is bad... obama started ukraine conflict... and so on... you don't even have to start...
you are so tired you didn't read at all.
I never wrote those bullshits.
...the scotish currency would be immune to everything, the pound is bad... obama started ukraine conflict... and so on... you don't even have to start...
you are so tired you didn't read at all.
I never wrote those bullshits.
So I don't know if independence is a good idea or not for Scotland (apparently they don't know either - the polls you linked show that, as undecided voters get decided, we start to witness a tie), but I'm glad they'll get to decide it, and that their opinion will be binding.
I agree.
I agree.
About Obama, he needs to start some war for both electoral and economic reasons. so he started the ukrainian crisis during olympics and is trying to create a war to destabilish syria in order to intervene in that zone that UAE-USA still doesn't control of the area.
look up, as for the currency you imply that leaving the pound is a necessity, while your only (absurd) argument of "floating currencies" is applied only to the Pound :-D not to the suppose new currency, when I wrote that I believe that any possible Scotish currency would be even more unstable that the Pound, please read, re-read what you write.. don't accuse, I do read your comments, also... I do spend far too much time reading a lot of bullshit in this thread, like "I never wrote those bullshits." - yes you did, write one literally, and implied the other...
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But then why did Poland become a separate state again every time?
You got plenty of chances to "keep together" with someone... :P - this comment is in poor taste, if anything.
But you probably know nothing of Polish history and the partitions, or the extent of russian aggression and violence. That's simple ignorance... I don't blame you for it.
As for Independece, its a matter of hard calculation.. (which is what I think, we all agree on) definatly it should not be based on emotion in my view (which it often is...). That is what I meant, by "separation bad for both, unity good for both", generally I am all up for eu conferedation or federalisation similar to the idea of united states (in the sense of united european states) if it fits the situation, but the political situation in europe (and the world in general) at the moment is not favorable for this sorts of divisions esspecially in the rich and peaceful parts, in my view... as for Scotland it makes sense morally, but only in that way... not so much economically, I gave this link, as an example of why, it might not be such a good idea...
In general I don't think it will make much difference. like I wrote above...
I support whatever the Scots choose, its their choice.
Personally I believe it won't make much difference.
So in essence we all agree (on the right to choose independece), but have different opinions on the outcome, where both sides, have valid arguments...
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look up, as for the currency you imply that leaving the pound is a necessity, while your only (absurd) argument of "floating currencies" is applied only to the Pound :-D not to the suppose new currency, when I wrote that I believe that any possible Scotish currency would be even more unstable that the Pound, please read, re-read what you write.. don't accuse, I do read your comments, also... I do spend far too much time reading a lot of bullshit in this thread, like "I never wrote those bullshits." - yes you did, write one literally, and implied the other...
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But then why did Poland become a separate state again every time?
You got plenty of chances to "keep together" with someone... :P - this comment is in poor taste, if anything.
But you probably know nothing of Polish history and the partitions, or the extent of russian aggression and violence. That's simple ignorance... I don't blame you for it.
As for Independece, its a matter of hard calculation.. (which is what I think, we all agree on) definatly it should not be based on emotion in my view (which it often is...). That is what I meant, by "separation bad for both, unity good for both", generally I am all up for eu conferedation or federalisation similar to the idea of united states (in the sense of united european states) if it fits the situation, but the political situation in europe (and the world in general) at the moment is not favorable for this sorts of divisions esspecially in the rich and peaceful parts, in my view... as for Scotland it makes sense morally, but only in that way... not so much economically, I gave this link, as an example of why, it might not be such a good idea...
In general I don't think it will make much difference. like I wrote above...
I support whatever the Scots choose, its their choice.
Personally I believe it won't make much difference.
So in essence we all agree (on the right to choose independece), but have different opinions on the outcome, where both sides, have valid arguments...
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look up, as for the currency you imply that leaving the pound is a necessity, while your only (absurd) argument of "floating currencies" is applied only to the Pound :-D not to the suppose new currency,
LOL!!!!
on the contrary,
the real thing that a new scottish country will need is ITS currency floating (vs every other currency in the world) in relation with ITS trade balance...
for the rest, I continue to think people mostly ignore what makes currency floating and why it is necessary to have a strong correlation between the area of sovereingity of a country (with internal fiscal transfers, same rules, same politic system etc) and the currency area .
If one doesn't understand it very good, he may assume thata a stronger currency is better than a weaker one.. and that's not always true.
LOL!!!!
on the contrary,
the real thing that a new scottish country will need is ITS currency floating (vs every other currency in the world) in relation with ITS trade balance...
for the rest, I continue to think people mostly ignore what makes currency floating and why it is necessary to have a strong correlation between the area of sovereingity of a country (with internal fiscal transfers, same rules, same politic system etc) and the currency area .
If one doesn't understand it very good, he may assume thata a stronger currency is better than a weaker one.. and that's not always true.
in scotland there are hills and mines, they will never get independence :-)
And if they want get independence by power, the democracy will come to that country from the air :-D
And if they want get independence by power, the democracy will come to that country from the air :-D
I don't think so. there are many examples in the past of separations without war. It can be done!
Meanwhile..
catalonia
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Meanwhile..
catalonia
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Slovakia-Czech rep.
but western nations are warloving countries, so I think that there can not be peacefull way.
but western nations are warloving countries, so I think that there can not be peacefull way.
nice crap story :-D, enjoy it
You have not read the text and not watched the video, I'm sure about that. Way too long for you!
You rather believe your own made up fairy tale lies, based on 'not mainstream media' home made nonsense with as few words as possible and as short as possible propaganda videos.
Another missed chance for you to learn something new ..... but new is scarry and could change your mind. So don't watch it, stay dumb and ignorant.
but western nations are warloving countries, so I think that there can not be peacefull way.
What did I say about staying dumb and ignorant ......................... Let's see what war will start in Scotland :/ Or are you making things up again, lying?
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You have not read the text and not watched the video, I'm sure about that. Way too long for you!
You rather believe your own made up fairy tale lies, based on 'not mainstream media' home made nonsense with as few words as possible and as short as possible propaganda videos.
Another missed chance for you to learn something new ..... but new is scarry and could change your mind. So don't watch it, stay dumb and ignorant.
but western nations are warloving countries, so I think that there can not be peacefull way.
What did I say about staying dumb and ignorant ......................... Let's see what war will start in Scotland :/ Or are you making things up again, lying?
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Now, cos I dont have so much time for every your biased story :-D, sorry maybe my fault that I lost your important information.
You rather believe your own made up fairy tale lies, based on 'not mainstream media' home made nonsense
If we all have proves about how media and government lies to us, I am not going trust them, you do it, your choice.
You rather believe your own made up fairy tale lies, based on 'not mainstream media' home made nonsense
If we all have proves about how media and government lies to us, I am not going trust them, you do it, your choice.