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West violated all deals after cold war ended and russia was very patient last tens of year. But now, when NATO want get on russia borders you are suprised that Russia had to react ? Do you think that anybody can crush russia without fight ? Ridiculous.

And, if Crimea is Ukrainian, why 70% people vote there party United Russia.

Or it is again manipulated :-DDD ?

West violated all deals after cold war ended and russia was very patient last tens of year.

Please forgive me but...ROFL =))))))))

But now, when NATO want get on russia borders you are suprised that Russia had to react ?

Huh, wasnt paying attention to the latest news, but where did NATO violate Russian borders?

Do you think that anybody can crush russia without fight ?

Sure, check out the 90's.

And, if Crimea is Ukrainian, why 70% people vote there party United Russia.

It was an election made under AK47's, exactly like in Africa. You dont invade a territory first, and you hold elections afterwards.

once more time, you didnt understand the point. Try think ! It is simple.
I was showing you differences between west and east style of spreading information. West likes own newspaper and secret data and east is showing us the reality.

Dont look on that camera, think about the principle and the point, that was the major idea of my post, which you did not understand and will not :-)


LOL :P I understoot perfectly, you think a webcam and the Kremlin approved propaganda crap of RT you love to post, is showing the reality and all this is a perfect example of (pro) Russian 'news' vs the rest. (it isn't east vs west like you are trying to lie to yourself, it is Russia vs the rest. No idea where this east vs west crap is coming from ... found some new lies to post??)

It looks like you really think this is a perfect example of these differences, in that case I can only use your own new found expression: you are completely lost!! But I still can't really believe someone can post this much total nonsense and actually believe it himself. Everything you post is so dumb, it must be done on purpose, maximum trolling. I just can't believe it is only ignorance and blindness.

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Rumpil's great argument for russian invasion on Crimea, "others steal, so why can't russia?" right...?

wrong, USA or NATO has not gained any territory for themselves!!, and yes wars are fought over territory and resources (I know you are tried and failed to contest even that) I wish they were, but when it comes to war... lives are not the main issue, the question is who started it (just like in a fight between 7 year olds), and in this case it is clear... russian 'ghost' army in crimea,

...back to NATO, a treaty organisation set up after WWII (were russia was one of the aggressors, aniversary in 2 days of that date) for defence and protection (of territory, again), also not mixing up with the UN which is what you are doing constantly, putting everyone in one bag... (UN tried to bring peacekeeping forces to Ukraine, but russia blocked that)
No one is attacking russia, get it right, once and for all, even if NATO sent troops to Ukrainie or Poland, is not attacking russia!!!, it would be defending Ukrainian sovereignty. Are you really that blinded, as to thinking that russia is defending anything? if so, Canadians made a little map which you must have missed...



"NATO want get on russia borders you are suprised that Russia had to react ?" yes, russia invades crimea in feburary 2014, and "NATO" are starting to send bulletproof vests and helmets via Poland in July 2014... (and not even that is credited to NATO, but to a NATO member, so for the sake of argument let's say its NATO) Ukrainian talks with NATO begun in August.. so yes... russia is "reacting" 4 months in advance... :-] love that... :-D :-] (4 months of russians gaining ukrainian territory by force)

"And, if Crimea is Ukrainian, why 70% people vote there party United Russia." - really? back to that? again, the referendum in crimea was done under "unknown"(russian) military occupation. I understand if Polish army invaded Slovakia, today... and the "referendum" if five days showed results of 100% for Poland, you would be okay with that,... great... :-D
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Please forgive me but...ROFL =))))))))
You just dont know history, should I buy you some books :-) ?

Huh, wasnt paying attention to the latest news, but where did NATO violate Russian borders?
Members of NATO are supplying UA by weapons and munition. Just this one fact means that NATO broke its own rules, members can not do what they want.

Sure, check out the 90's.
In that times Russia believed that EU has peaceful goals, but they were wrong :-)

It was an election made under AK47's, exactly like in Africa.
There had to be plenty of videos, show me one :-DD

prove it... USA, UN, NATO, 'NATO members' are not one, and the same... there is no "NATO" law, its a agreement between 28 nations who have their own laws to respect, and international agreements they make, which make up the 'international law'.
Prove that NATO did anything between feburary and july 2014 in Ukraine (all your posts are accusations on everyone without any proof, only live videos of russians on ukrainian territory, and ukrainian army defending its territory), only in august 2014 the Ukraine gov. started asking for NATO help, against the aggressor (russia) who broke all their peace treaties with UN and Ukraine separately before any involvement for UN/NATO...

and... history likes to repeat itself... 12 september...

Donbass_Strategic_Offensive_(August_1943)

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I am not lawer so sorry I can not find you exactly what law it doesnt allow and I dont have time for that...but just what I find after few minutes...

Some slovakia weapon trading contract, sign in new york 2013

Štát, zmluvná strana neudelí povolenie na transfer konvenčných
zbraní uvedených v článku 2 ods. 1 alebo predmetov uvedených
v článku 3 alebo v článku 4, ak má v čase udeľovania povolenia
vedomosť o tom, že zbrane alebo predmety sa použijú na páchanie
genocídy, trestných činov proti ľudskosti, vážneho porušenia
Ženevských dohovorov z roku 1949, útokov namierených proti
civilným objektom alebo civilným osobám, ktoré sú chránené ako také,
alebo iných vojnových zločinov tak, ako ich definujú medzinárodné
zmluvy, ktorých je zmluvnou stranou.

We can not send weapon to the country if it can be abuse for genocide , or Geneva deals or FOR ATTACKING AGAINST CIVIL PEOPLE OR OBJECTS.

We all know that UA is attacking on civilian cities where are just rebels, civilians which take guns for selfdefence.
I am sure, Poland have same contract, so you should be shamed for you country.


And Tymosenko said in public that most of eastern inhabitants, all who speak russian should be killed, so there is serious doubt if there is not doing genocide so we have next paragraph violated.


how much laws you want ?
you will dont believe to any, check your state contracts and then tell me, if russia declared war on Ukraine or just civilians (most of rebels are civlians :-) ) are fighting there.

you can check my words here:
file:///C:/Downloads/Zmluva%20o%20obchodovan%C3%AD%20so%20zbra%C5%88ami%20SK.pdf

dude... a rebel with a machine gun, is no longer a "law abiding citizen", he is a common criminal not a "freedom fighter", or a terrorist by normal standards... some call them "separatists" but according to the law in Ukraine, and international law, they are armed foreign citizens, pure and simple - and ukrainian army and police have the right to defend their own ukrainian citizens (who instead of taking up to arms, fled the area, about 200,ooo ukrainian civilians are refugees due to "pro-russian" terrorism in the donieck area).

That applies also to sites and objects too, a garage (for example) with a unregistered army truck with illegal weapons brought illegally through a border crossing under terrorist control, no matter where the weapons were bought from, they could have been made in china or us, still it is no longer a civilian 'object' or site, anymore.. so ukrainian or any invited NATO army have not only the right, but a duty to defend the people and their material goods (houses,resources) if it means destroying building were the rebels hide, tough luck...

Ukrainian army may have broken the law on some occasions, but it is war... and they have a margin of error as they are defending. Any russian with a weapon or a tank is a foreign invador. Ukrainian army is not braking any international law generally, russia is, all the time... and it gets worse as they signed a agreement with Ukraine for respecting their soverignty, to disarm it, Ukraine agreed, international community agreed , russia agreed.. and years later on march the 1st... broke that agreement, by the use of force (ghost army) to steal "strategic" territory (even witn your "referendum result") they violated ukrainian soverngity, which they agreed to protect!

So again Ukraine has all the arguments and russia has none... but all that is just sad, when you look at russian stance in the UN, which cleared any doubts over russian intentions... not peacful intentions, only selfish interests, same as the simple statement, that if Putin really wanted to make peace there - he has the power to do that withing 48 hours, only he is not interested in peace, he is interested in exactly the opposite.. things like "weakening ukraine economy" so russia relatively seems better and russian are happy to elect him again, or he is just interested in "his sphere of infuence" or very valuable resources in the area, from gas, oil to steal works, and armour factories, and so on... its all selfish russian interest in - not their stuff... to put it simply.

PS: :-o on what basis???
"I am sure, Poland have same contract, so you should be shamed for you country."
the Polish intervention in Ukraine can be so far summed up to there things.
1.Sikorski EU intervention in the maidan, to stop the bloodshed in feburary.
2.Some border problems with the export of bulletproof vests and helmets, a big story in Poland, were ukraine wanted help with equipement and the border control due to "EU or NATO?" regulations didn't allow thourgh... but some people smuggled it thourgh... I know "illegal NATO equipement"
3.and the humanitarian, aid that Poland gives, also setting up refugees centers near the ukrainian border, if needed...
apart from that there was nothing until august...

Poland so far, is even surpisingly and extremely rational about this conflict... maybe apart for the odd, harsh but often very true Sikorski comment... if anything I am proud of Polish tough stance, and little action in ths matter.
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We all know that UA is attacking on civilian cities where are just rebels, civilians which take guns for selfdefence.

What a load of brainless crap!! So according to you the pro-Russian terrorists are free to do whatever they want and to kill whoever they want, but the army is not free to repsond and kill these terrorists who are killing Ukrainian people/soldiers?? Have you become completely crazy now?? Do you even think for a second when you write and post this utter bs??

a rebel with a machine gun, is no longer a law abiding citizen, he is a criminal, or a terrorist by normal standards...

- yes, of course. in Ukraine, Iraq, Afganistan...
in Syria, Lybia they are called "prodemocracy fighters"

when syrian "prodemocracy fighters" crossing te border to Iraq, they become "terrorists"

double standards?

dude... a rebel with a machine gun, is no longer a "law abiding citizen",
LOL, I just hope that you watch all videos I posted here. There so much civilians object destroyed that nobody (except you) will belive that everyone in "novorussia" area is terrorist ! you are just blind.

And, a lot of you guys here are blaming russia for starting war conflict in Ukraine... do you realize that hundreds of refugees run out TO Russia for protection ? It is like people in Serbia, after NATO start a war there, run out to US or Brusel for protection :-D, it is really ridiculous. Or did people in Iraq run out to US for protection ??

Anyway, I give you link for law (poland has same, we know it both) and you are talking story. Please go back to problem. Which country attack ukraine ? If any and there just civilis with some foreign support (UA pay foreign nacists soldiers too) Poland and others broke the law.

I can accept that you hate russia, but it is not about Ukraine, it is because almost every your neighbor crushed you in a week in past wars and cos you can not hate germany in public now (cos you need their money via EU) you can hate just Russia. That is the poland problem so stop blaming russia for it. Maybe if your army would be more brave in WW1 or 2 you will not have so much hate against Russia.
But be cool, Poland could crush slovakia in 2 days maybe, but we are not gonna feel something bad (in spite of the fact that you took some part of our territory too in WW, but you have to give it back :-) ), we like our neighbors :-)

you didnt understand anything as usual, please kid, be quite when adults are talking :-), thx.

relatively - no,
...again you are mixing up a international UN peace effort (of many countries), on a violent government who is breaking every 'human right' there is by murdering his own citizens, and one countries attack on sovereign borders of a country they agreed to respect.

my polish friend told me two important facts.... we hate just two nations, germans and russia...so I see it is really polish national problem.... so dont talk about international politics or so..