Subject: »NEWS AROUND THE WORLD

it was so excrescent to write, if other peoples didnt read it.

So poor people choose to live in shit or else want to be rich, nothing in between? Only you are happy somewhere in between with a job, home, food, some luxury and if possible a good holiday in a cheaper country, like me and almost everyone. But not these people. They love to live in shit without jobs, all of them :S

Oh, I think in Spain also 20% of the people is lazy and don't want to do anything more as sitting home doing nothing and get money for it ... ;) what a great life will they have, lazy bastards ... (sarcasm btw)

the Dutch government found a way these old buildings won't be occupied by people they don't want in, they rent these old apartments and other building temporarily (from months to a few years) to students for a very low rent.

With low rent for Dutch students. EU students have to pay at least twice and non-EU students even more.

So poor people choose to live in shit or else want to be rich, nothing in between

The type of people rumpil was talking about, YES. And be rich without any work if possible.

In my city, they used to throw their children in front of the cars on the marked crossing, just to get money if the child got hit. (also if you're really lucky they will steal your car to, while you're checking on the child's condition).

And they are seen as a problem in countries which joined Eu later, because most of the problems were caused by EU.
In Romania:
- they have free places in university, with scholarship, even if they barely pass, and I have to study my ass out so I can be in the top 10% to get half the scholarship they get: this was imposed by EU
- EU imposed building houses for them, connecting them to electric network and everything for decent living. This is not the problem. The problem is that they don't want to get any job, don't have money, don't pay, so then the electric and water companies stop their services. Than an human rights org. comes there, sees the conditions and blames us for not giving them conditions (I can give more example)

And about what zastarovje said, about opportunities:
I know who had a farm and a construction company about 200 km form where I live. He asked me if I can get about 20 people to work for him in the following conditions: he will give them housing for free, and pay them around 10 euros/day(and that was a very good pay for manual labor), they could come with their wife and kids if any(housing for them to). I could barely get about 10 people from 200 I asked, all of them unemployed and with an income of about 60 euros/month. Why? Main reason: farm and construction work is hard. So if yp=ou are lazy and don't want to work because work is hard, I agree not to give them social support.

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And they are seen as a problem in countries which joined Eu later, because most of the problems were caused by EU.
In Romania:
- they have free places in university, with scholarship, even if they barely pass, and I have to study my ass out so I can be in the top 10% to get half the scholarship they get: this was imposed by EU
- EU imposed building houses for them, connecting them to electric network and everything for decent living.

i'm sure these things werent required by EU! the education and social aids are national competences! in hungary there arent any free places for gypsies in the universities, and there arent any rule to build houses.


I know who had a farm and a construction company about 200 km form where I live. He asked me if I can get about 20 people to work for him in the following conditions: he will give them housing for free, and pay them around 10 euros/day(and that was a very good pay for manual labor), they could come with their wife and kids if any(housing for them to). I could barely get about 10 people from 200 I asked, all of them unemployed and with an income of about 60 euros/month. Why? Main reason: farm and construction work is hard.

i can say you opposite examples. is it worth argument?
when i was child, my father was a farmer too. he bred chikens near to our house. every worker on the farm was gypsy, and many other gypsy aplied for jobs! just to know i learn many things about gypsies and from gypsies when i lived with my parents.

i know that what you are talking about is not only prejudice, but now it is (in the case of EU you are totally missed it). i know too that the gypsies have many bad habits, and a wrong lifestyle, and its really hard to live with them, so i dont blame only you guys.

I assure you the examples I mentioned were imposed by EU.

n hungary there arent any free places for gypsies in the universities, and there arent any rule to build houses.
I was talking about Romania, not Hungary.

And about the work example, I'm talking about that do want to work and don't have where, I'm talking about those which just say: working at farm it's to hard, i'm not going to do it, I'll wait for the state the give me money.

And I know there are hard working gypsies, even with high education(my grandma's doctor is gypsy), I'm friends with a many of them, but this talk is not about them. They are also ashamed by those gypsies we are talking about here, and try to avoid them as much as possible.

when i was child i lived in the poorest area of hungary. in my homecity the rate of the gypsies is around 20%, the unemployment around 40%. there werent any factory or company who employ any people. only the local goverment is looking for 10-20 people as street sweeper.
just imagine my friend: you are an 30-40y old gypsy, who didnt complete the elementary school (during the socialism every people had got job with or without high qualification). there are only 10-20 job in the city (street sweeper) for 100-200 people like you. tell me please: who the hell will you get a job?

Search for a job somewhere else and move, for instance to a region in Hungary with more employment.

@Charles Hill - one advice... try to meet some, try to talking with them and than you willu understand...

@booghy - I agree, it is clear that you know the situation... what do you think, can be this situation solved after 20years by taking their children into colleague where can be educated not just to skills but also habbits for normal life style without their parents (not every children, just that which have parents without jobs for many years and so... ) ??

@zastarovje
@opportunities.. and you was laughing
my company offers him work for years (some of them work for us and they can have even accommodation ! ), but they dont want to work (hard job, low wage they usually say..but a lot of them are not able read and write, so why they want "my" salary ?? :-( )... how can you laugh on this fact that they can have jobs but they are lazy to work hard. In our company, if there is worker working hard we raise him wage because there is big unemployment but find good worker is VERY HARD... !

so what was funny on that ???

@Rubinho - in some areas we have same opinions...how weird it is.. isnt it :-DDD ?

and one more thing Charles...

to your (sarcasm btw)

- try to imagine my way to work, head is full of duties, full of work worries and so.... you need to work, earn money, pay loans, you have children, wife is on maternity vacation - low money.... so hard life
and on that way to work you will me couple of gipsies with PET bottle of wine sitting on benches and laughing on you... "look, hard working man... we just get up this morning and we have "earned" "

Search for a job somewhere else and move, for instance to a region in Hungary with more employment.

i love when people form western europe try to teach us, how to live. :)
in budapest are many job, and not only for gualificated peoples. clear situation, they should migrate.

okay, just one question. if the rent of flat is eg. 100 euro + overheads and you can earn only 200 euro how the hell is possible live off of this wage?

many smart people are here, but nobody can imagine that there are those situations, where you cant get any job. :)

btw..nobody say more about this today...

A new law came into effect in France, banning women from wearing full-face veils in public. The law produced quite a controversial effect and risks igniting social tension in the country.

now questions and everybody can answer :-)

1. If we have democracy and people have freedom, is this step ok ?
2. Can be such a ban resource of new problems, something like "starter" for new hate and so ?
3. Will this ban help for Muslim woman ? (for most of them, not all of course)
4. If muslim countries will order to all not-muslim woman living there have full-face veils in public, will be this step ok too ?

my answers are:
1. no (it is culture and religious problem and most of them have this as part of their religion, it is not our (not-muslim) problem, they must solve it after maybe hundreds of years themselves)
2. yes (but this is just risk, no direct threat)
3. for some yes, for some not (i dont know any statistic about their own opinions on this ban)
4. yes (but EU will consider this like not human act :-) )
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i love when people form western europe try to teach us, how to live. :)

You asked for it ...

okay, just one question. if the rent of flat is eg. 100 euro + overheads and you can earn only 200 euro how the hell is possible live off of this wage?

Not. However, I doubt this is the normal situation in Hungary.

1. Yes. This is a ban on all clothes that hide the full face. Don't see how this is a problem.
2. It shouldn't. If it won't, that's something else.
3. It might.
4. No. See number 1. You can forbid people to hide their face and identity for safety reasons, you can't force someone to hide their face and identity.

If a Migrant from a muslim country wants to live in a christian country, they should integrate into society, no face coverage, no veils.

1. no, free exercise of religion is an important part of democracy
2. yes, surely there will be some problems
3. no, in my opinion this ban helps no-one
4. no, the same rules apply to muslim countries also

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." quotation Benjamin Franklin