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sorry, I made type mistake... I dont know and I am lazy to use google and write her name correctly, but we are "hearing" her name like "merkel".
and how can be made leaving euro procedure ?
1. they will return euro ? no
2. all their goods and salaries and all funding will be in new Greek currency...ok but what with savings in euro, in what exchange rate it will convert ? (there is now no rate = no new currency yet)
3.how will they set up new currency, how can they just start with "some" exchange rate ?
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1. they will return euro ? no
2. all their goods and salaries and all funding will be in new Greek currency...ok but what with savings in euro, in what exchange rate it will convert ? (there is now no rate = no new currency yet)
3.how will they set up new currency, how can they just start with "some" exchange rate ?
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Belgium, Germany, Netherlands and Danmark are paying per head the most in the EU and you are complaining. Unbelievable.
You forgot France.
Maybe Rubinho is right and were we better of with the europe of 12..
Just a remark: EU is itself interested to get new countries, potential candidates which are accepted without any hesitation, when they meat minimal requirements. Why? :)) Obvious :)) New markets, new possibilities of exporting goods OUT of the countries (implicitly increasing import power of so-called non-12 countries by not paying import taxes).
Do you really think that the extra 12 countries were admitted into EU without any interest of Brussel & Co.? Wrong my friend. And i assure you that the big heads from Belgium, Germany, France, Holland etc. calculated every detailed impact that such acceptance may have on EU... both positive and negative.
You forgot France.
Maybe Rubinho is right and were we better of with the europe of 12..
Just a remark: EU is itself interested to get new countries, potential candidates which are accepted without any hesitation, when they meat minimal requirements. Why? :)) Obvious :)) New markets, new possibilities of exporting goods OUT of the countries (implicitly increasing import power of so-called non-12 countries by not paying import taxes).
Do you really think that the extra 12 countries were admitted into EU without any interest of Brussel & Co.? Wrong my friend. And i assure you that the big heads from Belgium, Germany, France, Holland etc. calculated every detailed impact that such acceptance may have on EU... both positive and negative.
No egoism, slovakia are not cheating and not taking big loans, of course that is the reason why we are not so rich as the others !!!
You are not as rich as us because of communism. As simple as that.
The Greek lived beyond their means, so now they have to pay for it. Portuguese: the same. Irish: the same. But we cannot let them go bankrupt. We just can't do that as long as they are in the eurozone.
You are not as rich as us because of communism. As simple as that.
The Greek lived beyond their means, so now they have to pay for it. Portuguese: the same. Irish: the same. But we cannot let them go bankrupt. We just can't do that as long as they are in the eurozone.
France is a big payer, true. But not per head. The biggest 3 are Netherlands, Danmark and Belgium.
The biggest payer in total is germany but again, not per head.
The remark is correct but at the moment the european export of the 12 first is still comparable with no. e.g. in the past Germany was belgium's greatest main exportpartner in europe. Nowadays it's still Germany.
It's normal to trade with neigbours.
And of course it has been calculated by the 12(at that time 15 i think) but if you see the reactions of the newer ones on the actions and declarations of the EU against Libya it was maybe too much too fast.
I say maybe, the time is still young and the 9 new ones still have time to prove themselves to ME as valuable members of union.
The biggest payer in total is germany but again, not per head.
The remark is correct but at the moment the european export of the 12 first is still comparable with no. e.g. in the past Germany was belgium's greatest main exportpartner in europe. Nowadays it's still Germany.
It's normal to trade with neigbours.
And of course it has been calculated by the 12(at that time 15 i think) but if you see the reactions of the newer ones on the actions and declarations of the EU against Libya it was maybe too much too fast.
I say maybe, the time is still young and the 9 new ones still have time to prove themselves to ME as valuable members of union.
10 (2004) + 2 (2007) = 12 new ones.
"True Finns" -party are now set for the government, I hope we will find a way for a bailout of Portugal...I really do.
I agree:
The Greek lived beyond their means, so now they have to pay for it. Portuguese: the same. Irish: the same. But we cannot let them go bankrupt. We just can't do that as long as they are in the eurozone.
That is what I wanted to say... we didnt live beyond our means (I learnt new expression, thx :-) ) so we lived worse/more poor but with all responsibility. Why we should pay now, for that who lived decades beyond they means ???
The Greek lived beyond their means, so now they have to pay for it. Portuguese: the same. Irish: the same. But we cannot let them go bankrupt. We just can't do that as long as they are in the eurozone.
That is what I wanted to say... we didnt live beyond our means (I learnt new expression, thx :-) ) so we lived worse/more poor but with all responsibility. Why we should pay now, for that who lived decades beyond they means ???
I say maybe, the time is still young and the 9 new ones still have time to prove themselves to ME as valuable members of union.
You can forgot that new members will prove their "value" by accepting aggressive war acts like Libya... economy and war plans are two different things !
You can forgot that new members will prove their "value" by accepting aggressive war acts like Libya... economy and war plans are two different things !
Why we should pay now, for that who lived decades beyond they means ???
We cannot let them go bankrupt. Really, that would increase the percentage all other Eurozone-countries would have to pay on new loans - and yes, every country needs new loans.
But the countries who get money must:
1) pay the loans back with interest, but lower interest than market interest,
2) cut in government expenditures,
3) increase government income by increasing taxes (for instance Ireland who has a very, very low tax rate for companies), and
4) make plans - and they have to do it - to decrease the public debt hugely.
Whether they like it or not. If they refuse, we have to exclude them from EU, Schengen, ...
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We cannot let them go bankrupt. Really, that would increase the percentage all other Eurozone-countries would have to pay on new loans - and yes, every country needs new loans.
But the countries who get money must:
1) pay the loans back with interest, but lower interest than market interest,
2) cut in government expenditures,
3) increase government income by increasing taxes (for instance Ireland who has a very, very low tax rate for companies), and
4) make plans - and they have to do it - to decrease the public debt hugely.
Whether they like it or not. If they refuse, we have to exclude them from EU, Schengen, ...
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Did you read that news, that after Greeks got loans/help from EU, they are hesitating and speaking about bankruptcy :-) ?
btw... back to economy aspects:
1) ...interest...
New Greece saving policy is making their economy slower and weaker, so they are going down and they will have every day bigger and bigger problem to re-pay that loans. So, the restrictions in Greece economy is going to make just more troubles for them.
This is just fact, I dont want to tell more to this... just that "we" / "they" have still a problem, also after help.
2) same...
3) same..
4) plans is make some savings in state funding, in social area and so... but not hurt economy and this is problem.. they can make this just by selling most of state property (so no raising taxes and so, it will decrease consumption), but this will greeks never allowed .. (maybe)..so this situation can have bad end :-(
Excluding would be just start of end of EU...
I dont have plan too... I am just angry on EU that last 2-3 decades it did nothing to prevent of such a bad situation ! That is EU... bureaucracy, but everybody can do whatever :-(
Are you worry, or not ?
btw... back to economy aspects:
1) ...interest...
New Greece saving policy is making their economy slower and weaker, so they are going down and they will have every day bigger and bigger problem to re-pay that loans. So, the restrictions in Greece economy is going to make just more troubles for them.
This is just fact, I dont want to tell more to this... just that "we" / "they" have still a problem, also after help.
2) same...
3) same..
4) plans is make some savings in state funding, in social area and so... but not hurt economy and this is problem.. they can make this just by selling most of state property (so no raising taxes and so, it will decrease consumption), but this will greeks never allowed .. (maybe)..so this situation can have bad end :-(
Excluding would be just start of end of EU...
I dont have plan too... I am just angry on EU that last 2-3 decades it did nothing to prevent of such a bad situation ! That is EU... bureaucracy, but everybody can do whatever :-(
Are you worry, or not ?
The last sentence got me laughing. How on earth are you going to arrange that without pressuring to leave?
@rumpil:
Article 6CONSOLIDATED VERSION OF THE TREATY ON EUROPEAN UNION
1. The Union is founded on the principles of liberty, democracy, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, and the rule of law, principles which are common to the Member States.
2. The Union shall respect fundamental rights, as guaranteed by the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms signed in Rome on 4 November 1950 and as they result from the constitutional traditions common to the Member States, as general principles of Community law.
3. The Union shall respect the national identities of its Member States.
4. The Union shall provide itself with the means necessary to attain its objectives and carry through its policies.
Article 49
Any European State which respects the principles set out in Article 6(1) may apply to become a member of the Union.
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The Copenhagen criteria are the rules that define whether a country is eligible to join the European Union.
one of the criteria is: protecting human rights
You said you would respect it, all the principles and now it's a different thing. Come on! I know the copenhagen criteria are meant for intern use only but the principles are not.
@rumpil:
Article 6CONSOLIDATED VERSION OF THE TREATY ON EUROPEAN UNION
1. The Union is founded on the principles of liberty, democracy, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, and the rule of law, principles which are common to the Member States.
2. The Union shall respect fundamental rights, as guaranteed by the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms signed in Rome on 4 November 1950 and as they result from the constitutional traditions common to the Member States, as general principles of Community law.
3. The Union shall respect the national identities of its Member States.
4. The Union shall provide itself with the means necessary to attain its objectives and carry through its policies.
Article 49
Any European State which respects the principles set out in Article 6(1) may apply to become a member of the Union.
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The Copenhagen criteria are the rules that define whether a country is eligible to join the European Union.
one of the criteria is: protecting human rights
You said you would respect it, all the principles and now it's a different thing. Come on! I know the copenhagen criteria are meant for intern use only but the principles are not.
What else should the EU have done? Let greece go bankrupt? Nice member you are.
They (Ireland, Greece, Portugal) will just have to sweat this out and sit this through. If a country is going down the civilians should prepare to take up responsiblity. Because they voted for the wrong people, they didn't stop them in elections.
They (Ireland, Greece, Portugal) will just have to sweat this out and sit this through. If a country is going down the civilians should prepare to take up responsiblity. Because they voted for the wrong people, they didn't stop them in elections.
usually they only have to decide between a douche and a turd, so it makes no difference
Who is they in the sentence :p?
If it is 'the voters' then they should take the situation as it comes. After all they could have avoided it but they didn't.
If it is 'the voters' then they should take the situation as it comes. After all they could have avoided it but they didn't.
The Copenhagen criteria are the most vague and nondescript criteria to be found. Completely and utterly useless. :P