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Making this reasonable is easy if "we" have right purpose :-DDDDD
seems Uruguay is gonna des-panelizate the marihuana auto grow
@Rubinho :The Greek lived beyond their means, so now they have to pay for it. Portuguese: the same. Irish: the same.
only PIGS?are you sure?
Greece, Italy, Belgium, Ireland and France make up the five EU countries that are estimated to be in the most debt as a percentage of their GDP
Belgium’s public debt is held abroad to the tune of 99% of GDP and its private sector foreign liabilities are another 162% of GDP, giving a total percentage of foreign credit dependence (charitably excluding inter-company borrowing) only surpassed by the UK,Italy and Ireland in the EU
are you disaggree ? in the age of austerity,what do you think?
''belgians lived beyond their means so now they have to pay for''
only PIGS?are you sure?
Greece, Italy, Belgium, Ireland and France make up the five EU countries that are estimated to be in the most debt as a percentage of their GDP
Belgium’s public debt is held abroad to the tune of 99% of GDP and its private sector foreign liabilities are another 162% of GDP, giving a total percentage of foreign credit dependence (charitably excluding inter-company borrowing) only surpassed by the UK,Italy and Ireland in the EU
are you disaggree ? in the age of austerity,what do you think?
''belgians lived beyond their means so now they have to pay for''
till the time they can handle their debt without help from EU it is ok, it is problem after country ask other states of EU for help and of course some especially poor country doesnt agree.
if there was state bancrupcy possibility this problem will never happen but western banks know very well that somebody will save their "investition" so they are giving loans which will be never paid back and they know it :(
if there was state bancrupcy possibility this problem will never happen but western banks know very well that somebody will save their "investition" so they are giving loans which will be never paid back and they know it :(
if there was state bancrupcy possibility this problem will never happen
Then many people would have lost all their money, incl many companies and banks(!). So more people would have been fired as happened now, and even more people without money they have saved their whole live. I don't think this would have been accepted, with all negative consequences, maybe even (civil)wars.
till the time they can handle their debt without help from EU it is ok,
That's it indeed :)
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Then many people would have lost all their money, incl many companies and banks(!). So more people would have been fired as happened now, and even more people without money they have saved their whole live. I don't think this would have been accepted, with all negative consequences, maybe even (civil)wars.
till the time they can handle their debt without help from EU it is ok,
That's it indeed :)
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Jup but the largest part of that debt is in the hands of belgians. We, the belgians, are together more as double as rich as Belgium itself.
That makes us stable.
And yes if we live beyond our means we will have to bear the consequences of our way of living and voting.
That makes us stable.
And yes if we live beyond our means we will have to bear the consequences of our way of living and voting.
There was nice idea about free market which could solve everything..."invisible hand of Smith" :-).
People argue, that it doesn't work in real life, from one group of reasons they have true (social aspects can not be solved by "invisible hand"/ free market) but the fact that we have not any free market in EU last 100-150 years is the real reason why it cannot work. Every state in EU have made bad deformations of free market and that is the real reason why it doesnt work, we have not any free market for years.
Look, companies and states are very similar in debt problems. But why there is not any bank which would give big loan to company which has already loan about 50% of their yearly sales ?? Because they know that company can went to bankruptcy and they will lost everything.
But debt of states in EU is different, there can not work free market rules (because we dont have here clear free market) and this is really mistake. Everybody know (also that chiefs of banks) that such a problematic countries (I mean that one with so huge debt) will never pay back next loans, but the biggest mistake is that they know that EU will save them. So banks are author of problems but EU want to simple people pay for that mistakes (banks have of course their interest and people just poverty). And this is really ill.
Most of you are angry on US printing money mechanism because it is hurting world economy, not just their own. But this funny "euroval" which is just moving financial collapse to future times by big "EU" loans is same ugly mistake.
If there can be JUST ONE bankruptcy of state, with all paint for banks and people of that problematic country, I have no doubt that this problem will never happen again and that no bank would offer loans to country which has big risk of bankruptcy. And this would solve everything...
This has really nothing connected with solidarity or emergency help. This is just one big financial business which was think out by western banks as counter mechanism to that US one ....
Nobody can persuade me that what is working for years in private sector !!! can not work in sector of state. Just politicians have bigger power so they can earn on cheating easier that just chiefs of companies in private sector. In private sector you must hide your cheating and in government sector you can just make law and order something to everybody :-(
People argue, that it doesn't work in real life, from one group of reasons they have true (social aspects can not be solved by "invisible hand"/ free market) but the fact that we have not any free market in EU last 100-150 years is the real reason why it cannot work. Every state in EU have made bad deformations of free market and that is the real reason why it doesnt work, we have not any free market for years.
Look, companies and states are very similar in debt problems. But why there is not any bank which would give big loan to company which has already loan about 50% of their yearly sales ?? Because they know that company can went to bankruptcy and they will lost everything.
But debt of states in EU is different, there can not work free market rules (because we dont have here clear free market) and this is really mistake. Everybody know (also that chiefs of banks) that such a problematic countries (I mean that one with so huge debt) will never pay back next loans, but the biggest mistake is that they know that EU will save them. So banks are author of problems but EU want to simple people pay for that mistakes (banks have of course their interest and people just poverty). And this is really ill.
Most of you are angry on US printing money mechanism because it is hurting world economy, not just their own. But this funny "euroval" which is just moving financial collapse to future times by big "EU" loans is same ugly mistake.
If there can be JUST ONE bankruptcy of state, with all paint for banks and people of that problematic country, I have no doubt that this problem will never happen again and that no bank would offer loans to country which has big risk of bankruptcy. And this would solve everything...
This has really nothing connected with solidarity or emergency help. This is just one big financial business which was think out by western banks as counter mechanism to that US one ....
Nobody can persuade me that what is working for years in private sector !!! can not work in sector of state. Just politicians have bigger power so they can earn on cheating easier that just chiefs of companies in private sector. In private sector you must hide your cheating and in government sector you can just make law and order something to everybody :-(
again ugly long spam post... i wondered myself if I would have read this :-DDD
@Rubinho :The Greek lived beyond their means, so now they have to pay for it. Portuguese: the same. Irish: the same.
only PIGS?are you sure?
Greece, Italy, Belgium, Ireland and France make up the five EU countries that are estimated to be in the most debt as a percentage of their GDP
Belgium’s public debt is held abroad to the tune of 99% of GDP and its private sector foreign liabilities are another 162% of GDP, giving a total percentage of foreign credit dependence (charitably excluding inter-company borrowing) only surpassed by the UK,Italy and Ireland in the EU
are you disaggree ? in the age of austerity,what do you think?
''belgians lived beyond their means so now they have to pay for''
We can pay our debt unlike Ireland, Greece and Portugal. We do pay for it, as we pay a lot of interests to the banks. Greece however couln't pay those interests any more. Btw, Belgium has one of the lowest budget dificits for 2011.
only PIGS?are you sure?
Greece, Italy, Belgium, Ireland and France make up the five EU countries that are estimated to be in the most debt as a percentage of their GDP
Belgium’s public debt is held abroad to the tune of 99% of GDP and its private sector foreign liabilities are another 162% of GDP, giving a total percentage of foreign credit dependence (charitably excluding inter-company borrowing) only surpassed by the UK,Italy and Ireland in the EU
are you disaggree ? in the age of austerity,what do you think?
''belgians lived beyond their means so now they have to pay for''
We can pay our debt unlike Ireland, Greece and Portugal. We do pay for it, as we pay a lot of interests to the banks. Greece however couln't pay those interests any more. Btw, Belgium has one of the lowest budget dificits for 2011.
@Ruige_Ronny :but the largest part of that debt is in the hands of belgians.
belgium's public debt is approaching 100% of GDP and the spread of Belgian 10-year bonds over the German benchmark is today four times as high as at the beginning of last year
NVA has chosen to get a federal reform agreed first before building a government,
increase lead Belgium further down the road of separatism or further devolution of power from the centre to the regions
so without a government (political instability)in the meantime, borrowing costs will rise and low economic growth.
what do you think?Is Belgium the next Ireland or Greece?
we talk about Europe's debt crisis
and Debt Crisis Solutions are
the new ''Treaty of Versailles'' or new''Marshall plan''
"It was this treaty(Treaty of Versailles) which caused a chain reaction leading to World War II," claimed historian Dan Rowling (1951).
Marshall plan, initially known as the "European Recovery Program"
was the large-scale economic program, 1947–1951 of the United States for rebuilding and creating a stronger economic foundation for the countries of Europe.
i hope Merkel and co. finally sign the new''Marshall plan''
belgium's public debt is approaching 100% of GDP and the spread of Belgian 10-year bonds over the German benchmark is today four times as high as at the beginning of last year
NVA has chosen to get a federal reform agreed first before building a government,
increase lead Belgium further down the road of separatism or further devolution of power from the centre to the regions
so without a government (political instability)in the meantime, borrowing costs will rise and low economic growth.
what do you think?Is Belgium the next Ireland or Greece?
we talk about Europe's debt crisis
and Debt Crisis Solutions are
the new ''Treaty of Versailles'' or new''Marshall plan''
"It was this treaty(Treaty of Versailles) which caused a chain reaction leading to World War II," claimed historian Dan Rowling (1951).
Marshall plan, initially known as the "European Recovery Program"
was the large-scale economic program, 1947–1951 of the United States for rebuilding and creating a stronger economic foundation for the countries of Europe.
i hope Merkel and co. finally sign the new''Marshall plan''
Political instability? We still have a caretaker government and 5 regional governments. We still have the Chamber of Representatives and the Senate who have the real democratic power to vote.
Separatism isn't realistic in Belgium. Foreigners have a wrong view on the N-VA. That party doesn't want to separate Belgium now or in the near future. It is a long term project in which Belgium is unnecessary at the end.
The fundaments of the Belgian economy are far better than Ireland, Greece or Portugal.
Separatism isn't realistic in Belgium. Foreigners have a wrong view on the N-VA. That party doesn't want to separate Belgium now or in the near future. It is a long term project in which Belgium is unnecessary at the end.
The fundaments of the Belgian economy are far better than Ireland, Greece or Portugal.
The fundaments of the Belgian economy are far better than Ireland, Greece or Portugal.''
portugal and ireland said also their economy are far better than Greece.
i hope you arent the next victim of
Europe's debt crisis
portugal and ireland said also their economy are far better than Greece.
i hope you arent the next victim of
Europe's debt crisis
Don't worry about us, we won't. And btw, you are a victim of your own debt crisis, not Europe's debt crisis. Countries that need the 'rescue fund' of Europe just didn't had a competitive and strong economy.
not true, at first, they have stupid and cheating politics .... without them they can have normal economy and debt.
But politics are voted by people, so that means that they have "stupid" voters.... sorry makedon... :-(
But politics are voted by people, so that means that they have "stupid" voters.... sorry makedon... :-(
i dont disagree but it's s a little more complicated than that
What percent of GDP do Countries spend on their Military?
Slovenia 1.6%
Greece 4.5%
Germany 1.4%
a year back
France and Germany would
support EU assistance aimed at abating Greece´s economic crisis,
reported February 11 that the price of this assistance was Greek
procurement of European weapons systems, such as the Eurofighter
and the French-built FREMM class frigate.
What percent of GDP do Countries spend on their Military?
Slovenia 1.6%
Greece 4.5%
Germany 1.4%
a year back
France and Germany would
support EU assistance aimed at abating Greece´s economic crisis,
reported February 11 that the price of this assistance was Greek
procurement of European weapons systems, such as the Eurofighter
and the French-built FREMM class frigate.