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Subject: WikiLeaks Scandal
I pity you. Seriously. If names will be published, that will be a serious threat to American safety. You are inhuman to hope others will be killed.
oh yeah, lets wait what happens on next hours, wikileaks is not only Assange as far as i know, so more people can publish the information
Really Rubin, don't try defend the interest of these guys, because they don't care about yours either. If the west is supposed to be about freedom and everything, these secret (service) wars are the extreme antithesis of that. And don't try to use the argument of 'this is a criminal information thief. From the looks of it, the guys who are after him aren't scared of dirty tactics either.
And yet I will use that argument. Of course the 'secret service' plays dirty games, but that is still not a good reason to steal their documents. And quite frankly, that 'these guys' don't care about my interests, that does not matter at all. I ask myself: in whose benefit is it that these pages are published? Realy, for whom is it realy helpful?
Edit: and if you say I can't use my argument ( it was information theft ), then nobody can use the argument of freedom of speech neither.
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Edit: and if you say I can't use my argument ( it was information theft ), then nobody can use the argument of freedom of speech neither.
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Secret services are there just to steal documents, what is wrong then with steal there documents?
to put an end to some of the self-righteous secret war stuff that goes on under our noses without us noticing.
I am not talking about the gossip in those embassy emails, of course. Publishing that stuff was just to get an audience, but wasn't the stuff that got them riled up. Have a good laugh with the internal kitchen of diplomacy an move on with life.
But there is other stuff. The Kursk-incident comes to mind, where 130 sailers were left to die after an american sub, alledgedly, sank theirs by semi-accident. Not wanting to risk an incident right under the noses of chinese representatives (I know, it reads like something that Sam Fisher guy couldn't come up with), the sailers were left to suffocate and damages were paid by the americans. The best result the world could have hoped for, thank god for the cool bloodedness of Putin (and the situation he was in that he couldn't risk an open war with the US over a sub), but one has to wonder whether it was necessary in the first place.
And there are other such stories as well.
Simplified moral of the story: Secret wars = bad, no need to defend their right to continue to do so. Wikileaks was a nice opportunity for the western world to put a halt to this. At least from this side of the border.
I am not talking about the gossip in those embassy emails, of course. Publishing that stuff was just to get an audience, but wasn't the stuff that got them riled up. Have a good laugh with the internal kitchen of diplomacy an move on with life.
But there is other stuff. The Kursk-incident comes to mind, where 130 sailers were left to die after an american sub, alledgedly, sank theirs by semi-accident. Not wanting to risk an incident right under the noses of chinese representatives (I know, it reads like something that Sam Fisher guy couldn't come up with), the sailers were left to suffocate and damages were paid by the americans. The best result the world could have hoped for, thank god for the cool bloodedness of Putin (and the situation he was in that he couldn't risk an open war with the US over a sub), but one has to wonder whether it was necessary in the first place.
And there are other such stories as well.
Simplified moral of the story: Secret wars = bad, no need to defend their right to continue to do so. Wikileaks was a nice opportunity for the western world to put a halt to this. At least from this side of the border.
I was aiming at the embassy stuff. Although it is stolen, I don't really mind that the truth about some actions in the past are published. As you know, I'm a big opponent when it comes to American foreign policy ( read: Afghan and Iraq War ). But why do they have to pulish the diplomacy stuff? That is really not helpful for anyone. It doesn't improve world safety, it may even damage it. So why do they do it?
to understand why some decisions are taken.
If you go vote you need to judge the policy of a minister. How can you judge a decision if you don't have the same information as he has?
The information who was published last week wasn’t even something new. Everybody new there are nuclear weapons in Belgium, that Merkel is not creative or that Berlusconi like to party.
If you go vote you need to judge the policy of a minister. How can you judge a decision if you don't have the same information as he has?
The information who was published last week wasn’t even something new. Everybody new there are nuclear weapons in Belgium, that Merkel is not creative or that Berlusconi like to party.
If you go vote you need to judge the policy of a minister. How can you judge a decision if you don't have the same information as he has?
I can. Based on what I do know. And I don't vote for a minister, I vote for a view on society.
The information who was published last week wasn’t even something new. Everybody new there are nuclear weapons in Belgium, that Merkel is not creative or that Berlusconi like to party.
Well, or you know that other stuff was in it ( concerning Middle-East ), or you don't, which would lead to the question on what you base your opinion about WikiLeaks.
I can. Based on what I do know. And I don't vote for a minister, I vote for a view on society.
The information who was published last week wasn’t even something new. Everybody new there are nuclear weapons in Belgium, that Merkel is not creative or that Berlusconi like to party.
Well, or you know that other stuff was in it ( concerning Middle-East ), or you don't, which would lead to the question on what you base your opinion about WikiLeaks.
If it was only about diplomacy, his bank accounts wouldn't have been blocked and no international apprehension order would have been released. Not with the shaky evidence the case has (it has been revoked once and now it's re-ordered, something our media didn't bother to mention). I highly doubt the people that are after assange the kind of people that get mad because of a dirty laundy list :)
