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Exactly what I mean. Charles Hill on the other hand seems to be absolutely sure of it.
Next he'll tell us he is absolutely certain, that gender theory is true! :-P
Next he'll tell us he is absolutely certain, that gender theory is true! :-P
i want to know the man who ever change his opinion after discussing something
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Only morons never change their opinion...
I would, if the arguments are convincing.
It's not so easy though, you would have to admit you were at least partly wrong. That's why I don't have any illusion about Charles Hill.
Don't get me wrong, I'm quite stubborn. So the arguments have to be pretty convincing. :-P
I would, if the arguments are convincing.
It's not so easy though, you would have to admit you were at least partly wrong. That's why I don't have any illusion about Charles Hill.
Don't get me wrong, I'm quite stubborn. So the arguments have to be pretty convincing. :-P
experiences you make in life and your education have much higher influence on your sexual preference than your biology
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You weren't born loving spanish food, were you?
I agree. And that's it, i also wanted to ask charles about that being born with sexual preferences thing.
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You weren't born loving spanish food, were you?
I agree. And that's it, i also wanted to ask charles about that being born with sexual preferences thing.
So you think sexual preference is something you 'acquire' based on external factors?
Is it less realistic than being only genetical?
I didn't state it was only acquired, but imho social influence is greater.
I didn't state it was only acquired, but imho social influence is greater.
Yes.
So how would it depend on genetics? I mean would it be hereditary :D or wut?
Actually when it comes to stuff related to being born with, more realistic is people are born heterosexual (what would be the point of two sexes' existence? Nature is rather more than randomness).
And it's somehow possible to explain, let's say, "development" of sexual preferences as an effect of external factors (for example family, growing up experiences etc) and i have no idea how would one explain it in how do you get born with it.
So how would it depend on genetics? I mean would it be hereditary :D or wut?
Actually when it comes to stuff related to being born with, more realistic is people are born heterosexual (what would be the point of two sexes' existence? Nature is rather more than randomness).
And it's somehow possible to explain, let's say, "development" of sexual preferences as an effect of external factors (for example family, growing up experiences etc) and i have no idea how would one explain it in how do you get born with it.
Know any gays? Ask them when they knew they were different as others of the same sex, friends and classmates. Or ask their parents, they will tell you they knew it even at an earlier age, if they are enough open-minded and/or honest people and not homophobics who don't want to see or even accept it.
Some will tell you studies have shown that it has nothing to do with genetics, other studies will show the exact opposite. Just as there was once a discussion how intelligent black people can be, with 'prove' they couldn't be that intelligent at all.
About that born with:
Biological factor: genetic and hormonal, both of affect the fetal development of the brain
Environmental factor: involve the early uterine environment
Also see genetic markers Xq28 and 8q12, and other research.
While manhill used the word 'theory' in his comment, I rather use the word hypothesis, like scientists will do who study this subject.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the studies that 'prove' homosexuality is a choice and not born with are from conservative anti-organizations (for what ever reason) and/or religious factions.
And to give you the explanation why I don't discuss this opinion, it is 2016. The '50 and church arguments are way over time and completely out of place. In the past left handed people were strange or not even normal, same situation with homosexuality.
EDIT about that nature, homosexuality isn't strange in nature with other animals as humans. Look it up yourself, you will find enough evidence very easily.
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Some will tell you studies have shown that it has nothing to do with genetics, other studies will show the exact opposite. Just as there was once a discussion how intelligent black people can be, with 'prove' they couldn't be that intelligent at all.
About that born with:
Biological factor: genetic and hormonal, both of affect the fetal development of the brain
Environmental factor: involve the early uterine environment
Also see genetic markers Xq28 and 8q12, and other research.
While manhill used the word 'theory' in his comment, I rather use the word hypothesis, like scientists will do who study this subject.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the studies that 'prove' homosexuality is a choice and not born with are from conservative anti-organizations (for what ever reason) and/or religious factions.
And to give you the explanation why I don't discuss this opinion, it is 2016. The '50 and church arguments are way over time and completely out of place. In the past left handed people were strange or not even normal, same situation with homosexuality.
EDIT about that nature, homosexuality isn't strange in nature with other animals as humans. Look it up yourself, you will find enough evidence very easily.
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Anyway, back to spam :)
I don't think Sokker spam will change people's mind. Those who are interested in the subject and want to know more will search for info themselves. Those who don't care or even are against it for whatever reason, won't change their minds because of a few arguments on Sokker spam.
I don't think Sokker spam will change people's mind. Those who are interested in the subject and want to know more will search for info themselves. Those who don't care or even are against it for whatever reason, won't change their minds because of a few arguments on Sokker spam.
The matter is that when someone said "i'm not sure at all that sexual preference is born"
another one understand "i'm sure that sexual preference is a personal choice".
But what is sure (if something could be sure) that's sexual preference is ... personal (final point).
another one understand "i'm sure that sexual preference is a personal choice".
But what is sure (if something could be sure) that's sexual preference is ... personal (final point).
So it's called gender studies now. A few years ago it was still called gender theory...
Gender theory goes back to an experiment of John Money. He tried to make a girl out of a 8 month old boy (David Reimer), who lost his penis during a botched circumcision. He stated the experiment was a success, but it turned out to be a total failure. His twin brother committed suicide as young adult, not long after his mother told him what happened to his brother (which he thought to be his sister).
David Reimer also committed suicide at the age of 38.
Gender theory (or studies if you prefer) states that biology has no influence on the gender of a person.
As for homosexuality, I did not write biology has no influence. I said biology has less influence that what you called environmental factor.
As for homophobia: pretty much nonsense. The ones being intolerant are rather homosexual activists...
I don't care what they do, as long they do it in private with no children involved.
Gender theory goes back to an experiment of John Money. He tried to make a girl out of a 8 month old boy (David Reimer), who lost his penis during a botched circumcision. He stated the experiment was a success, but it turned out to be a total failure. His twin brother committed suicide as young adult, not long after his mother told him what happened to his brother (which he thought to be his sister).
David Reimer also committed suicide at the age of 38.
Gender theory (or studies if you prefer) states that biology has no influence on the gender of a person.
As for homosexuality, I did not write biology has no influence. I said biology has less influence that what you called environmental factor.
As for homophobia: pretty much nonsense. The ones being intolerant are rather homosexual activists...
I don't care what they do, as long they do it in private with no children involved.
Ah the cherry picking, 1 experiment as argument while there is a lot more research done lately on a different level.
And no, not theory or study, but hypothesis. You can try to downgrade it because of some personal reason, but that doesn't change a thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis
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And no, not theory or study, but hypothesis. You can try to downgrade it because of some personal reason, but that doesn't change a thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis
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Well, some think sexual preference can change at an early age, after being born. That's the third option. I think this is as strange as thinking it is a choice.
In fact, children of homosexuals parents should be most likely the first to change sexual preference because they grow up with those parents. Study has shown that this is absolutely not the case, almost all of these kids are heterosexuals and a few homosexuals, just as with non-homosexual parents.
But indeed, it is something personal. It's not up to others who we love :)
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In fact, children of homosexuals parents should be most likely the first to change sexual preference because they grow up with those parents. Study has shown that this is absolutely not the case, almost all of these kids are heterosexuals and a few homosexuals, just as with non-homosexual parents.
But indeed, it is something personal. It's not up to others who we love :)
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