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And something back ontopic ............

I asked you why you seem to know everything about it. What are your sources, the same as mine? Almost all the news I read says _Second the Sirius Observatory. Is it okay if they are not on the ground and sponsored by England? Fake News is everywhere, believing it's up to you.

Where are the chemical arsenal of the United States, France and England? Can you prove they were destroyed? What did the Americans no longer use after Vietnam and North Korea?

See I did not say anything, I have more doubts than certainty. There are no good guys in this story, but I'm pretty sure about some bad guys

Sorry for bad tradutor.
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I don't think my news sources are different as yours. Maybe Dutch news is more on it as our relationship with Russia is at a low after killing almost 300 Dutch with MH17, killed because of the help from Russia.

What I know is that Russia is telling different stories every time they can. That is a tactic they are using for some time now, to hide their wrong doings. And till now, all news in the Netherlands was correct about Russia and Syria. Apparently they wait long enough to confirm a story, not like some other news sites and agencies who want to be the first to report it, and by that making mistakes.

Also, common sense helps a lot in these situations. Simple things as Russia using a veto to stop an investigation to find the owner of these chemicals, Russia using the same tactic as always (confusion) to hide being guilty or to hide an ally being guilty, Russian trolls spreading fake news (Russian troll factories doing their jobs), and read RT.com to see what the Russian government is trying to make people believe.

And I don't think those countries don't have chemical weapons, most larger countries will have them in case of, secretly. But there is absolutely no reason at all why these countries will use these weapons to kill civilians and help Assad take over a region. NATO can also bomb all facilities from Assad without some fake chemical attack, there is evidence enough from previous chemical attacks to actively help the opponents of Assad to win the war.

And I also think there are some clear really bad guys, Putin, Assad and all others who are helping these enemies of our world. Put all international political leaders allies from Putin together and you have a dangerous mix of dictators, murdering politicians, and more unpleasant people. That is not a coincidence, they are who Putin supports.

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Here what ever Kreator sings about.

Btw, the Dutch government didn't fully support last attack from France, UK and US because of lack of complete and total evidence (which is kept away because of Russia). This is also what the Dutch news is telling us, no 'well done France', and no 'hurray for the attacks'. Dutch news is mostly as objective and rational as possible, or at least what I read. The sites showing that kind of hurray and also anti US colored bs are populistic sensation-seaking crap sites.

And maybe the Dutch government is also a bit less supportive because they are trying to make a deal with the Kremlin to find and prosecute the murderers of MH17.

This is the common sense thing I wrote about, realizing it is all politics and more things are happening in the background.

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I wonder what it is ;)



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You think they are objective. But there is a slight subjectivity dictated by the goverment and those who have political and financial interests. Believe me there is no real transparency and democracy, even in europe. Mass media objectivity in EU is hidden behind a mask of some hypocritical games that We mortals will never understand.

I dont want to Say here that the sources are manipulated. Nor At all, but they are subconciously lead to Tell and share the false news they get. The evil is much deeper then We think.

Objective as possible, at the end all depends of where they got the news from. The good thing is, when not sure about the sources this will also be mentioned. That's the big difference from countries where the government controls the news agencies, like Russia.

In EU they are also slightly controlled. A real total democracy we will never have. Of course in Russia the things are much much worse. Here i agree.

I dont want to Say here that the sources are manipulated. Nor At all, but they are subconciously lead to Tell and share the false news they get. The evil is much deeper then We think.

yes they are, and conditioning is not only involuntary, but often controlled. Every agency press have a direct line with govs and services.

But imho the interesting part is the word "evil" you used.
I don't believe in good and bad in politics. There are interests and fights, no good boy vs bad bastards. nobody wants you dead for free, anybody wuold if you are an obstacle to their goals.
So I think it is useless to discuss about "who's right", is better to discuss what I choose to stand for? Who better fits my interest and beliefs?

for example Syria, the choices are a dictatorship protected by russians or a dictatorship protected by nato.
I don't see any big deal there..
Maybe if you take a closer look you see that the victim needed to make Nato dictator to rule over syria are far more than to let assad where he is.
So I'm against financing ISIS by CIA, I'm against financing turkey, I'm against bombing assad and I'm against producing 5 million refugees.
But this doesn't mean Assad is better than putin, macron or trump, is the same dictator as they all are.. (better to say: macron and trump are representatives, so they change faces every 4/8 years..)

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so, after all this political discussion, lets get back to real issues here!

I have to admit that even I'm a old school dude when the topic is BBQ and would consider blasphemous anything except wood and charcoal, I've came to tolerate gas BBQs because they tend to be much easier to use..
but, as a BBQ fanatic, I can not and will not let myself use it... ever... :)

p.s. truth is that i'm a probably a bit pyromaniac ahhahahahahha and just want to see (insert anything here)* burn :)

question: sooo spring, huh... there is a trend here for.. dunno what's the name... tights leggings?

and I object for it!! I can not stand all those curvy girly booby tighty leggingy thingys everywhere! my heart can't stand all that pressure damnit!!