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I found some info about buying tickets at the airport but that won't save you any money, in fact, it's more expansive as booking in advance: Google - buy tickets at airport.
And in the Netherlands you have different trains (Intercity, Sprinter, Stoptrein and ICE International), but only the ICE International will cost you more (but isn't faster as a Intercity). All other 3 cost the same, but intercity trains are (a bit) faster as the other 2. If you travel short distances, for example Amsterdam-Utrecht, it won't make that much of a difference which 1 of the trains you use. The moment you travel from, for example, Amsterdam-Groningen (north of the Netherlands), or Amsterdam-Maastricht (south of the Netherlands), it will make a lot of difference and you should always use the Intercity. But still this won't cost you anymore money when using the Sprinter or Stoptrein, it will only cost you a lot more time. The only thing that will cost more is if you travel first class in stead of second class. I recommend second class as these are pretty good seats and enough space.
4/5 days in the Netherlands can be enough to see some cities as you don't need to travel long distances. As I already wrote, Amsterdam-Groningen and Amsterdam-Maastricht are the longest distances but this will only take about 2 and a half hours by train (1 way, not the return, that is twice that time).
But as MontyBurns wrote, overall it's not that long for all those countries.
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And in the Netherlands you have different trains (Intercity, Sprinter, Stoptrein and ICE International), but only the ICE International will cost you more (but isn't faster as a Intercity). All other 3 cost the same, but intercity trains are (a bit) faster as the other 2. If you travel short distances, for example Amsterdam-Utrecht, it won't make that much of a difference which 1 of the trains you use. The moment you travel from, for example, Amsterdam-Groningen (north of the Netherlands), or Amsterdam-Maastricht (south of the Netherlands), it will make a lot of difference and you should always use the Intercity. But still this won't cost you anymore money when using the Sprinter or Stoptrein, it will only cost you a lot more time. The only thing that will cost more is if you travel first class in stead of second class. I recommend second class as these are pretty good seats and enough space.
4/5 days in the Netherlands can be enough to see some cities as you don't need to travel long distances. As I already wrote, Amsterdam-Groningen and Amsterdam-Maastricht are the longest distances but this will only take about 2 and a half hours by train (1 way, not the return, that is twice that time).
But as MontyBurns wrote, overall it's not that long for all those countries.
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Yes i am talking about the charters fly in the last minute, what you say about it.
and the main route is: Italy, shwaiz, germany, netherland, france and back to italy, the others only if i will have time and money. (what you think about this route in 1 month ?)
maybe spain and portugal i will keep to another trip...
and the main route is: Italy, shwaiz, germany, netherland, france and back to italy, the others only if i will have time and money. (what you think about this route in 1 month ?)
maybe spain and portugal i will keep to another trip...
In my opinion it's much better to spend about a week in four different countries with longers stays in selected major cities, such as Paris, Rome, Barcelona, Berlin or Amsterdam - and then return later in life to see the rest.
Think this is a good idea :) Or in ampri's case, Rome, Bern, Berlin, Amsterdam and Paris. Spend a few days in these major cities and spend some days visiting cities nearby. The ones you hear of while being in these major cities.
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Think this is a good idea :) Or in ampri's case, Rome, Bern, Berlin, Amsterdam and Paris. Spend a few days in these major cities and spend some days visiting cities nearby. The ones you hear of while being in these major cities.
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When you go from the Netherlands to France, you definitely have to stop in Bruges and if you have the time Ghent too. Bruges is really a beautiful city, 'Venice of the North'.
yes my father tell me aboutt bruges, but i dont know if with the selective railpass i can stop there but maybe i can in bus or something no ? and go to france or back to netherland.
Depends on where you can stop with that selective railpass. Bus doesn't seem the right choice, train is way faster and not more expensive I think for such long distance.
This is the route of the Thalys Amsterdam-Paris:
(bonjourlafrance.com)
And maybe this website can be of any info: seat61.com - A beginner's guide to buying cheap, European train tickets
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(bonjourlafrance.com)
And maybe this website can be of any info: seat61.com - A beginner's guide to buying cheap, European train tickets
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Charter travel is sold in packages - a fixed number of days in a given hotel AND a return flight. And to get the cheapest offers you'd need to be prepared to go whereever the travel company hasn't sold out in the last minute. So unless you're the adventurous type who doesn't mind where you're going, it's a bad idea. And you'd also have to either pay for a return ticket you're not going to use, or use the same city as base for various trips around Europe. I wouldn't recommend it...
Why do you want to return from Italy also? It should be possible to get decent prized tickets for Argentina from any European nation. And it'll save you an entire day of travel to leave for home from another country - especially if you're going north. :)
A trip from say Rome to Amsterdam would be a great option in my opinion. Stops could include Firenze, Milano, Zürich, München, Nürnberg, Strasbourg, Paris, Brügge, Bruxelles on your way to Amsterdam. Or any odd small town for that "original" feeling.
Why do you want to return from Italy also? It should be possible to get decent prized tickets for Argentina from any European nation. And it'll save you an entire day of travel to leave for home from another country - especially if you're going north. :)
A trip from say Rome to Amsterdam would be a great option in my opinion. Stops could include Firenze, Milano, Zürich, München, Nürnberg, Strasbourg, Paris, Brügge, Bruxelles on your way to Amsterdam. Or any odd small town for that "original" feeling.
By the way...
Have you considered renting a car?
Have you considered renting a car?
yep but we will be 2, and only me will drive so this will be more expensive and i will be tired all the time :P
i think maybe you right, few countrys will be better, (roma, venice, milano, berna, the alpines, lichstein, munich, berlin, amsterdam and theirs litle towns, maybe bruges and gent [i have a problem with the 5 countrys of the train here] paris, the riviera and back to italy]
i am back to the question how many days you think every country needs ?
i think maybe you right, few countrys will be better, (roma, venice, milano, berna, the alpines, lichstein, munich, berlin, amsterdam and theirs litle towns, maybe bruges and gent [i have a problem with the 5 countrys of the train here] paris, the riviera and back to italy]
i am back to the question how many days you think every country needs ?
A week in each country. Maybe Holland / Germany can do with a little less and France / Italy with a little more. But anywhere you go you could easily spend a week.
really france more than week ? i thought 3 days its ok, what i have there, paris and what else?
you could spend weeks in France. And even not do Paris :p
Well, I just dont like Paris at all :p
Well, I just dont like Paris at all :p
The good thing about a one-ticket-covers-all-expenses is, that you don't have to plan anything ahead. You can just jump on a train to whereever, whenever you feel like it.
There are quite a few trains (particularly the international and high speed trains) where reservations are compulsory. In the summer time, some of these are being sold out which means that planning your journey a few days ahead is easier despite the fact that it limits your freedom to move a little bit. Regarding night trains I would recommend you to book couchettes or similar as it rapidly increases your chances of getting a good nights sleep :)
There are quite a few trains (particularly the international and high speed trains) where reservations are compulsory. In the summer time, some of these are being sold out which means that planning your journey a few days ahead is easier despite the fact that it limits your freedom to move a little bit. Regarding night trains I would recommend you to book couchettes or similar as it rapidly increases your chances of getting a good nights sleep :)
You could easily spend the entire month in France alone. It's probably the country with the richest and most diverse culture in Europe.
bad news in the work, they dont give me vacations, but i think i will do the trip and give up the work (i was supposed to study and work together), but i am not shure at all and i thougth maybe dont buy a Eurorail pass (because this is my main problem) now and see if i can get one there or maybe rent a car if i will bring another 2 people or busses or something.
not buying eurorail its mean freedom to choose where to go and maybe cheaper this i dont shure, i am flying in october when europe its empty of people so i think it will be cheaper every thing. what you say ?
not buying eurorail its mean freedom to choose where to go and maybe cheaper this i dont shure, i am flying in october when europe its empty of people so i think it will be cheaper every thing. what you say ?