Subject: Ready for the most racist tournament ever?

Dude I think you have no clue what are you writing,murders,lawyers...lol.

The footage in video is not fake,it happens all over the Russia,Ukraine,Poland,Serbia,Greece in many countries,thats how our football fans scene looks like. Some are normal some are racists(low %). As some other things for other countries are normal,here are not,and vice versa. I dont say its right to be racist or anything else. But here is how it is,and on evey WC,EC were people attacked and injured,thats how it is! If you like it come and watch it,if not then dont,who cares about you (not directly you,you as plural).
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yet u still dont get the point... this is just hilarious....

"I'm not trying to defend anyone - please show me exactly where I did."


here

"I can only say that I agree that Jihad Legia was inappropriate and I was expressing it on Polish forum

BUT I wouldn't in any way connect it with anti-semitism."

Your login is appropriate indeed. Especially because you're giving an answer to my question by quoting something that I posted later on.


I accuse them of socially destructible behaviour, therefore as them being the criminals

You defend the criminals indirectly by denying that the problem even exists... and thats the whole story of this topic.


We accuse the criminals, whether its the video or anything else, and you then deny the problem as if it didnt exist, which means they are no longer criminals

I'm not denying that there is racism in Poland. If that's your impression, then you must have problems with reading with comprehension.

this essentially following the same logic: Lets say there is a murder of some kind, and someone is accused of poisoning that person. His lawyer on the other hand tries to prove that death was natural and murder didnt even happen, even though there is a trace of poison in the body (aka the video)

Congratulations, I can't imagine a worse example and I can't imagine why you even wrote it instead of saying what you mean in one short sentence. But you like to omit things that are important and concentrate on bollocks, nothing new.

giving me a video of a nice Polish family who is peaceful would only be a valid argument if i was trying to accuse every single Pole to be racist, which is clearly a faulty statement.

first of all, I didn't give you any video.
second of all I was responding to your message about upbringing etc. and my message was that you shouldn't judge others by yourself and your experience.


you cant prove that it doent exist by giving me examples of where it didnt happen. There is evidence that this happens, which is shown in the video, whether its cut or not, there is an actual footage of this happening, and ure still denying that it happens...

Once again, I don't deny that there are INCIDENTS of racism on our stadiums. Seriously, man...please start understanding while reading.

and you dont like my condescending tone?

ok here you go. I once though of you as of a clever person, but you proved me wrong, by failing to follow simple steps of logic.

really, I don't give a F. what you think about me.

and please don't talk about logic when reading with comprehension is beyond your capability...as well as responding to arguments instead of writing another boring monologue.

But here is how it is,and on evey WC,EC were people attacked and injured,thats how it is! If you like it come and watch it,if not then dont,who cares about you (not directly you,you as plural).
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I really hope that you are not over 16yo mate :(

I am just stating facts,and thats how it IS! I am not saying its right,but thats how it is. You will always have some group of people that will start fights and riots,and I am really sorry if you dont believe in this or cant accept it,but thats how it is.

I would really like that everyone in world are rich and noone is poor,but its not possible...And u must understand one thing,this is football,and some fans just live for fights!!! And once more if you cant understand that,then keep living in your virtual world!

Well in a way he is right, though the way he Freeman expresses his feelings is a bit...extravagant :P.

There figts during previous tournaments in Europe and I'm afraid that there will be incidents in Poland as well [although I hope away from the crowds...].

All in all most people in Poland are happy to host supporters from whole Europe and we hope that everyone will have a great time in our country. I can tell you know that we're not 100% ready for the tournament in terms of public transportation, roads etc. but the entertainment and atmosphere will be 1st class. I'm just curious how Warsaw will look after the games will end in the first day - when all those thousands of people will suddenly rush to the centre and old centre to drink and party. It will be a pandemonium...

I'm going with a group of 40 or 50 friends [not sure yet how many] and I can't wait...:D

20 years ago it was like that and even worse in England,
(You probably saw the "Green Street Hooligans" movie (and if not , I can recommend you to see it)),
But today this scene is over there so it can be done mate.

I guess that you will not want your boy (if you have/will have) go and hear this behaving.....

We are attacking the racist's in the documentary and the goverment/Polish ukraine FA who arent doing enough about it !

I don't doubt the people in the documentary exist, but I wonder how that's supposed to be different from anywhere else in Europe. I mean, you have to play Euro 2012 in Europe anyway, isn't it? :P

You really think that in Poland you can find something similar to what you can see in Green Street Hooligans or any other movie of that sort? :O

I mean, you have to play Euro 2012 in Europe anyway, isn't it?

Yep, but I'd prefer not to do it in countries like Ukraine.

So, I checked out:

Ukrainian top teams, Shahktar Donetsk and Dynamo Kyiv has all together 13 Brazilian players, also players from Columbia, Morocco, Nigeria. There are several nations, a lot of black players, and they can play in complete peace, they haven't got any problems or they would quit, go to another club.

In Poland Legia Warsaw and Wisla Krakow have and have had players from Israel, Zimbabwe, Ghana, Nigeria, Brazil, China etc...

I mean, if you are insulted because of the colour of your skin, you would leave the club, player like Douglas Costa would certainly get an offer from an English club.

I mean, if you are insulted because of the colour of your skin

That is your argumentation?

I was in that kind of world,so I know what am I talking about... And I know how was in England,and yes i watched GSH,and many more...But that movie is pure BS,I mean its gr8 movie,but that guy from LOTR,i mean so funny.

Man its England,in rest of world like Poland,Russia,Serbia,Greece you have riots in every part of city when its football game,these countries are like that,thats how our football fan scene looks like,I know what am I talking about,and thats why I mentioned that what I did in post from above. So you dont have to give me lectures about football fans(hools) world.

Cheers!

Yep, but I'd prefer not to do it in countries like Ukraine.

Belgium has 6 times more rapes per capita than Poland. The government is obviously not doing enough to protect women from being raped in Belgium. I would prefer to never have Euro in such countries because it is absolutely not advisable for women football fans to travel there.
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Trolling is an art, but you're really overdoing it on this forum.

Did they get raped in of around football stadiums? If not your argument is complete nonsens.