Subject: Ready for the most racist tournament ever?

Did they get raped in of around football stadiums? If not your argument is complete nonsens.

in rest of world like Poland,Russia,Serbia,Greece you have riots in every part of city when its football game,these countries are like that,thats how our football fan scene looks like

riots in every part of city when its football game

and before any genius jumps in, i know its not true, yet again the point is that u defend such behaviour

Maybe it is nonsense, but still it is a liitle bit more than just "I wouldn't have it in Ukraine".

Sometimes it seems that there are more prejudice against Poland/Ukraine in western Europe than the prejudices that Polish/Ukranian football fans may have....

Ukraine is not a liberal democracy. End of the story.

Its a gr8 argument! Do you really think that in Poland or Ukraine someone will beat you at stadium or around it ? I mean,really man,have you ever been on some kind of football game?

Sasha +1! PWNED!

Did they get raped in of around football stadiums? If not your argument is complete nonsens.

Of course it's nonsense. :) This was obviously an ironization of the absurd logic that competitions shouldn't take place in countries that have problems with racism on larger scale than in the developed world.

Of course that every problem is more intensified in countries with lower level of general wellbeing and weaker functioning of government mechanisms. Saying that Poland and Ukraine are not fit for this competition is simply an elitist standpoint and it is only oriented towards ghettoisation of less developed countries. It's like pointing the finger at the pupil with low grades and telling him that he's too stupid to take the test or telling him in advance that he will fail without knowing how well prepared he really is.

So, this documentary and this topic are not well-intended nor helpful. They're just making an artificial hype with an elitist agenda. The extent of the problem adressed is simply very far from disqualifying. And that's the whole truth.
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well to be honest I think this video can actually work really well... Maybe it was even intentional by BBC who knows....

Now that it is widespread, Poland and Ukraine will be extra cautions about those problems which will make it better whether it is actually a big problem or not.

Well, if we accept that adressing the problem inapropriately is at least better than not adressing at all, then ok. But this is really justifiable only when the problem absolutely must be adressed because otherwise it may escalate and I don't think this is the case here. My feeling is that both Poland and Ukraine are doing their best about this competition including fan risks. If western people simply don't understand that this might not be right up to their modern western merits, that is mostly their problem.

Ofcourse ! I never miss a match of my team, away or at home I'm there ;)

Just one info, Warsaw had a big gay parade today on the main streets and nothing bad happened.

I was walking past it at Krakowski Przedmiescie and the atmosphere was very calm, people around seemed interested, I haven't heard even a single homophobic remark.

So basically, you have some bad news and some good news from Warsaw today. The bad news is that there was a gay parade and the good news is that at least nobody attacked it. ;)

Well these statistics like the one you showed have to be interpreted. In some countries probably women are likelier to go to the police and report the crime than in other countries.
Statistics are great and all but as long as you do not interpret them they are worth crap.

In some countries probably women are likelier to go to the police and report the crime than in other countries.

At least somebody.

I have had a hard time ignoring it. :P I guess I just gave in. The first question ought to be: what constitutes rape? A police report? A court conviction? Given that rape is notoriously hard to prove and that many rape victims (especially male rape victims!) are too ashamed to report the crime, either option is problematic. It becomes even more problematic in countries without a functional or corrupt government. I could go on, but I think the gist of is clear: lists like that are to be used with extreme caution.

Well these statistics like the one you showed have to be interpreted.

So again, my "rape example" was ironization of your absurd logic. Of course it needs to be interpreted. And so does this docummentary. The issue needs to be put in a bigger context and the authors and many of you here are simply using it to disqualify such countries as Euro hosts.

And this article shows that hooliganism is stil a much bigger problem in the country that actually invented it. And the following part of the article shows why the English are very interested in showing simmilar problems in other countries in an exagerated light:

"Fifa's inspectors visit England this week to run the rule over the 2018 World Cup bid. How damaging does Thomas think any problems might be to England's hopes of hosting the tournament? "Fifa are mature and sophisticated enough to look at the big picture, not just pick up on isolated incidents because they don't reflect the behaviour of football fans in stadiums," he says. "Look at the World Cup in South Africa; there was no one arrested for football-related trouble."

England's main rivals in the bidding process are Russia, where football hooliganism is a far bigger problem."

So yes, it needs to be interepreted. The stakes are quite big. ;)
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