Subject: Ready for the most racist tournament ever?

Well these statistics like the one you showed have to be interpreted.

So again, my "rape example" was ironization of your absurd logic. Of course it needs to be interpreted. And so does this docummentary. The issue needs to be put in a bigger context and the authors and many of you here are simply using it to disqualify such countries as Euro hosts.

And this article shows that hooliganism is stil a much bigger problem in the country that actually invented it. And the following part of the article shows why the English are very interested in showing simmilar problems in other countries in an exagerated light:

"Fifa's inspectors visit England this week to run the rule over the 2018 World Cup bid. How damaging does Thomas think any problems might be to England's hopes of hosting the tournament? "Fifa are mature and sophisticated enough to look at the big picture, not just pick up on isolated incidents because they don't reflect the behaviour of football fans in stadiums," he says. "Look at the World Cup in South Africa; there was no one arrested for football-related trouble."

England's main rivals in the bidding process are Russia, where football hooliganism is a far bigger problem."

So yes, it needs to be interepreted. The stakes are quite big. ;)
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I really dont see why do you still bother,when those Germans,Dutch,Beligum know better situation in our countries then we do.

And seems that everything we write is ironization...

Some people might actually do just that, you know. Not blinded by nationalism and backed up by solid, actual research. You're just about as believable as someone who says it doesn't rain often in the Netherlands because he just had a sunny day. All you guys do is come up with single experiences (most of which I strongly suspect of being pure fantasy). Take for example the gay parade without a single homophobic remark. Just not going to happen in a strongly Catholic country where even the political leaders express strong resentment towards homosexuality.

Look, with that statistic you gave us (rapes), you cannot state anything about how the Belgian government handles the problem.

With how the Polish and Ukrainian FA seem to react on the racism and intolerance issues in football (which happens everywhere), one can point at them and say that they don't do enough against those problems.

That's it. I don't want to blame the Polish and Ukrainian people for that, I blame their FA's. If they have a problem with that, that's their (nationalistic) problem. It's not because I disapprove how their FA's are working, that I disapprove their societies, their culture or their people. And yes, it does seem that such basic - I'd even say stupid - nationalism is way stronger in Eastern Europe than it is in Western Europe. "If you offend one of us - regardless what he's done - you offend all of us."
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We have a saying in Croatia: "The dog doesn’t bark because of the village. He barks because of himself." So again, the English adress this "Polish" and "Ukrainian" problem because of themselves. They also have the hooligan itch. Also, they are running for WC 2018 and Russia is their toughest opponent. Do you really think that these authors are perfectly objective and don't care one single bit about whether they will watch WC at home or travel to "hostile and racistic" Russia? They have a clear conflict of interests to make objective analysis.

And of course that the English are tackling this problem much better than in Eastern Europe. They have started it, have it for a longer time and they have more resources to deal with it. Yes, Eastern Europe is well behind in tackling this issue. Good point, captain Obvious!

And of course that nationalism is stronger in Eastern Europe. People lived in dictatorships for half a century there and expression of national identities was severely opressed during that time. When you get out of prison, it's quite understandable that you will party more than an average person until your memories of prison fade away a little.

That reminds me of another Croatian saying: "The well fed doesn't believe the hungry." You have to first understand the position of people you are trying to give advice. Otherwise, you will only make obvious and annoying advice. "They don't have bread? Let them eat cake!"

Also, they are running for WC 2018 and Russia is their toughest opponent.

I have some news for you. It is already decided where the WC of 2018 and 2022 will be played.

You have not made any point in your reaction, so I'm not reacting on that.

Take for example the gay parade without a single homophobic remark. Just not going to happen in a strongly Catholic country where even the political leaders express strong resentment towards homosexuality.

Seriously, such stupid response from you? I'm disappointed.

I never said that there wasn't a single homophobic remark AT ALL, I said that I HAVEN"T heard one while passing by the parade.

guys, what we're talkin about atm :D?

and how is it relevant that u didnt hear it?

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http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/13855009/warsaw-gay-rights-march-draws-insults/


I guess there were more police than gays, but anyway at least they were protected (even though Im not rly a supported of those parades)...
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Why mention it if you don't want to imply something did not happen? After all, that is exactly what is usually implied with statements like this. 'I was there, but didn't see/hear/smell [it].' There really is but one meaning. It didn't happen. So, once again, why mention it? As a rhetorical trick? To suggest nothing bad happened, but with complete deniability if someone would ask questions?

Seriously, such stupid response from you? I'm disappointed.

What, I can't discredit obvious nonsense and doubtful anecdotal evidence? If that makes me stupid, by all means, call me stupid. I think you are wilfully blind to the truth. I know quite a number of otherwise smart, good people who took a very long time to see the ugly truth about their country of origin. Hell, my former gf - with whom I'm still very good friends - was blatantly racist and antisemitist. It took a while for her to recognise and understand why it's wrong. She had grown up like that in Russia. To her, it was normal. Just like it was normal to call Poles inferior Russians who speak bastard Russian. I made her see the error of her ways. Why? Because I'm stupid. I can't stand that crap. Even if I feel completely at home with people from EE and Russia. (It's not without reason Russia and EE are one of my two primary research subjects.)

basically the same thing ive been trying to say for ages... but its like talking to a wall

he again tried to give a video of peaceful Polish family as an evidence that problems dont exist..

Please explain me what means blinded by nationalism? Is it sooooooo bad that I love more my country than yours? I see no problem in nationalism,seems you guys have no idea what means nationalism and what is chauvinism. When you do,then you will maybe understand it better,and wont write such stupid posts.

You have a really serious problem.

I wrote that I went past the parade, seen it for a couple of minutes and that I didn't hear any insults no that there weren't any insults.

If you overinterpret, then it's YOUR fault, not mine.

Ukraine is not a liberal democracy. End of the story.

OK, so it was all about your opinion on Ukraine the whole time, rather than about racism or football violence or whatever.
Good to know. Saves me time.

Ready for the most racist tournament ever?

Lol, only non-racist and multicultural Dumb guy from western Europe can write and believe it. This topic should be closed :)