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Subject: Ready for the most racist tournament ever?
that's how arguing here looks like - no-one will agree with each other; only accusations and everyone trying to say "a-a i know better".
you all seeing only problems with poland (or ukraine) - yelling on the internet won't change anything.
ok, racists are in poland, just like everywhere else, in your country too. nothing new.
and if the point is you don't like polish FA attitude - that's not my fault.
maybe just e-mail them, lol :P
you all seeing only problems with poland (or ukraine) - yelling on the internet won't change anything.
ok, racists are in poland, just like everywhere else, in your country too. nothing new.
and if the point is you don't like polish FA attitude - that's not my fault.
maybe just e-mail them, lol :P
And England should shut up about this,coz they were the first big problem against racism in 60' 70' and now all we need is some USA to come here and start talking about it.
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well, if some italian are racist I can't talk about racism?
what an argument.
When you see a bbc doc, you think england?
I think a journalist..
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well, if some italian are racist I can't talk about racism?
what an argument.
When you see a bbc doc, you think england?
I think a journalist..
That wasnt my point,point was that they are talking crap now,and they should see what they were doing in 60's and 70's and even now.
Yes I do think of England,then I think journalist...
Yes I do think of England,then I think journalist...
I just tried to show that we're not some kind of racist, homophobic country ;-).
So, now I'm not reading too much into your previous statement? Make up your mind. :-) However, let's get one thing straight here. Poland does have serious problems. Does that make all of its people bad people? No, it doesn't. Does it mean the EC should not be played in Poland and the Ukraine? IMHO, no it doesn't. (Although the Ukraine really is not a country where I'd care to be right now. Not because of its issues with homophobia and racism, but because it's dirty and corrupt.) If anything, big events like this yield an opportunity to change things for the better. Documentaties like this one, are a part of it. It's needed to create awareness. Dumb mistakes regarding which countries may or may not border Poland are neither here nor there. They do not disqualify what is there to be seen in any way.
So, now I'm not reading too much into your previous statement? Make up your mind. :-) However, let's get one thing straight here. Poland does have serious problems. Does that make all of its people bad people? No, it doesn't. Does it mean the EC should not be played in Poland and the Ukraine? IMHO, no it doesn't. (Although the Ukraine really is not a country where I'd care to be right now. Not because of its issues with homophobia and racism, but because it's dirty and corrupt.) If anything, big events like this yield an opportunity to change things for the better. Documentaties like this one, are a part of it. It's needed to create awareness. Dumb mistakes regarding which countries may or may not border Poland are neither here nor there. They do not disqualify what is there to be seen in any way.
Freeman still doenst get it. You have racist's everywhere some country's there are more some are less.
But in the end it's about 1 thing : Whats the goverment/FA of a particulary country doing about it....
If you don't handle racism the proper why this easily can get bigger and keep getting more followers, especially in country's that are poor/come from communism/dictator/(etnical)civil war.
It's unbelievble some people still think that white is better as black or christian is better as muslim .
Or that you go to hell if you arent a believer.
Bullshit....everybody is equal.
But in the end it's about 1 thing : Whats the goverment/FA of a particulary country doing about it....
If you don't handle racism the proper why this easily can get bigger and keep getting more followers, especially in country's that are poor/come from communism/dictator/(etnical)civil war.
It's unbelievble some people still think that white is better as black or christian is better as muslim .
Or that you go to hell if you arent a believer.
Bullshit....everybody is equal.
And England should shut up about this
It's BBC. Not England. It's not because you don't make a difference between a country and its citizens, that we don't.
And if 'England' should shut up about this because there used to be racism problems in the UK, then we cannot forbid other countries to use slavery. Hey, we used to have slavery too. Ridiculous logic.
Thats the problem with a bit more advanced countries,that they think they are now GODS over all others
Yes. Obey me!
they are "peacekeepers" but they are still doing the same thing
As example you'll probably give Kosovo. The irony of that could not be any bigger.
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It's BBC. Not England. It's not because you don't make a difference between a country and its citizens, that we don't.
And if 'England' should shut up about this because there used to be racism problems in the UK, then we cannot forbid other countries to use slavery. Hey, we used to have slavery too. Ridiculous logic.
Thats the problem with a bit more advanced countries,that they think they are now GODS over all others
Yes. Obey me!
they are "peacekeepers" but they are still doing the same thing
As example you'll probably give Kosovo. The irony of that could not be any bigger.
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and if the point is you don't like polish FA attitude - that's not my fault.
So stop defending them and start criticizing the Polish and Ukrainian FA yourself.
So stop defending them and start criticizing the Polish and Ukrainian FA yourself.
lol am i defending them? polish FA are dickheads, they showed it thousand times, but i don't give a f. about them, only thing they're good at is taking money.
and i just said that's not my fault they do nothing, it doesn't mean i defend them LOL. anyway, i don't believe in law and justice in this country atm.
and sorry for being rough, but who the f gave you any right to tell me what should i do in MY own country?
in ANY matter or case...
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and i just said that's not my fault they do nothing, it doesn't mean i defend them LOL. anyway, i don't believe in law and justice in this country atm.
and sorry for being rough, but who the f gave you any right to tell me what should i do in MY own country?
in ANY matter or case...
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and i just said that's not my fault they do nothing, it doesn't mean i defend them LOL. anyway, i don't believe in law and justice in this country atm.
Then why do you so clearly disagree with me? I'm just questioning the way those two FA's deal with these problems.
and sorry for being rough, but who the f gave you any right to tell me what should i do in MY own country?
in ANY matter or case...
Freedom of speech. Stop feeling offended. It's retarded.
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Then why do you so clearly disagree with me? I'm just questioning the way those two FA's deal with these problems.
and sorry for being rough, but who the f gave you any right to tell me what should i do in MY own country?
in ANY matter or case...
Freedom of speech. Stop feeling offended. It's retarded.
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And who's television is BBC? And Rai Uno is not Italy,and so on... Crap crap crap,brain 0!
Again you talk crap,and still you brain cant get the point of it all,and what was the point of BBC doing that documentary,pure propaganda! But oh now it was for the "gratest good" yeah sure,same as USA fighting for oil,but their mission is "to make peace" ROFL! Same bollocks here!
Oh deer. Didn't realize it was that bad. Your brain that is.
BBC is the national television of the UK. So what? Do you think the English politicians say: "Hey, let's screw those guys. How? BBC, can you make a bad documentary on Euro 2012? Thank you."
To obey you? Your country who surrended to Germany after 48h or even less?Pff your noone!
Surrender? What surrender? In WWI, we didn't surrender. In WWII, we kind of stood no chance. I don't know if you realized it, but France was lost quite fast too. We're Belgium, not the most expanded army in the world. Relevance btw? (In case you didn't get it (again), "Obey me!" was clear sarcasm.)
And yes citizens are a country!
So Kosovo is a country then. That's fine by me.
It's not because you don't make the difference between a country and its citizens due to your retarded nationalism, that I don't. I do make that difference.
And who the f*** r u to decide what is right and what is wrong!
I'm a human being. Therefore, I have an opinion of what is right and what is wrong. In my country, we are allowed to express that opinion. That's what I'm doing here. Problem?
I hope one day Albanians invade your part of country!
"You can't always get what you want" - The Rolling Stones
Again you talk crap,and still you brain cant get the point of it all,and what was the point of BBC doing that documentary,pure propaganda! But oh now it was for the "gratest good" yeah sure,same as USA fighting for oil,but their mission is "to make peace" ROFL! Same bollocks here!
Oh deer. Didn't realize it was that bad. Your brain that is.
BBC is the national television of the UK. So what? Do you think the English politicians say: "Hey, let's screw those guys. How? BBC, can you make a bad documentary on Euro 2012? Thank you."
To obey you? Your country who surrended to Germany after 48h or even less?Pff your noone!
Surrender? What surrender? In WWI, we didn't surrender. In WWII, we kind of stood no chance. I don't know if you realized it, but France was lost quite fast too. We're Belgium, not the most expanded army in the world. Relevance btw? (In case you didn't get it (again), "Obey me!" was clear sarcasm.)
And yes citizens are a country!
So Kosovo is a country then. That's fine by me.
It's not because you don't make the difference between a country and its citizens due to your retarded nationalism, that I don't. I do make that difference.
And who the f*** r u to decide what is right and what is wrong!
I'm a human being. Therefore, I have an opinion of what is right and what is wrong. In my country, we are allowed to express that opinion. That's what I'm doing here. Problem?
I hope one day Albanians invade your part of country!
"You can't always get what you want" - The Rolling Stones
Then why do you so clearly disagree with me? I'm just questioning the way those two FA's deal with these problems.
depends on what do you mean.
i do not disagree with the statement "racist are in poland" - okay, i agree, true
and aswell i do not disagree with saying, that it's madness, that grandchild of people who fought against third reich and/or died in death camps now praise the people who ruined their country
i just disagree with way you're acting here.
trying to show me how bad is what's happening in poland. start changing the world from yourself.
or dude, just come to some random polish city, stay here for some time, live with poles etc. just like a good anthropologist :P.
seriously, i just wonder why there's so many asians, negros, turks etc. in poland, as whole world knows that problem of racism in poland is so serious, that people shouldn't come here for euro2012...
one more word about FA - they are giving some fines to clubs, fans are banned for games etc.
depends on what do you mean.
i do not disagree with the statement "racist are in poland" - okay, i agree, true
and aswell i do not disagree with saying, that it's madness, that grandchild of people who fought against third reich and/or died in death camps now praise the people who ruined their country
i just disagree with way you're acting here.
trying to show me how bad is what's happening in poland. start changing the world from yourself.
or dude, just come to some random polish city, stay here for some time, live with poles etc. just like a good anthropologist :P.
seriously, i just wonder why there's so many asians, negros, turks etc. in poland, as whole world knows that problem of racism in poland is so serious, that people shouldn't come here for euro2012...
one more word about FA - they are giving some fines to clubs, fans are banned for games etc.
one more word about FA - they are giving some fines to clubs, fans are banned for games etc.
Is this also not defending the FA?
Is this also not defending the FA?
nope, it's informing you about the fact
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as i said - come and live here for some time.
then we could talk about your experience
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as i said - come and live here for some time.
then we could talk about your experience
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