Subpage under development, new version coming soon!
Subject: Ready for the most racist tournament ever?
uhm, so important is what people think, not what it really is?
Like I said, it's not always the truth that matters. I know Jihad is not 'holy war' like some people think, but that doesn't matter. It's about respect for your opponents. Using a banner with 'Jihad Legia' against an Israeli team or using a banner of communism against a Polish team is a total lack of respect and should not be tolerated in football stadiums. Simple.
Like I said, it's not always the truth that matters. I know Jihad is not 'holy war' like some people think, but that doesn't matter. It's about respect for your opponents. Using a banner with 'Jihad Legia' against an Israeli team or using a banner of communism against a Polish team is a total lack of respect and should not be tolerated in football stadiums. Simple.
That's good to hear.
I can only say that I agree that Jihad Legia was inappropriate and I was expressing it on Polish forum
BUT I wouldn't in any way connect it with anti-semitism.
I can only say that I agree that Jihad Legia was inappropriate and I was expressing it on Polish forum
BUT I wouldn't in any way connect it with anti-semitism.
we don't support Stalinism but we do support Karl Marks pure communism
Like Che's communism. Without violence. Oh wait. Che was a mass murderer.
Like Che's communism. Without violence. Oh wait. Che was a mass murderer.
we don't support Stalinism but we do support Karl Marks pure communism
Like Che's communism. Without violence. Oh wait. Che was a mass murderer.
that's what i wanted to write...
bahahah, "pure communism"
it's not always the truth that matters.
relativism i see
It's about respect for your opponents.
(...)
should not be tolerated in football stadiums
so i'm afraid you should close 99% of european stadiums
Like Che's communism. Without violence. Oh wait. Che was a mass murderer.
that's what i wanted to write...
bahahah, "pure communism"
it's not always the truth that matters.
relativism i see
It's about respect for your opponents.
(...)
should not be tolerated in football stadiums
so i'm afraid you should close 99% of european stadiums
You state something as a fact that has not been proven by historians yet, mainly though because it is difficult to get informations about things that happened in Cuba during that period you are probably referring to..
so i'm afraid you should close 99% of european stadiums
Nope. Such things would never be tolerated in stadiums here. I cannot imagine a club would allow a Jihad banner when playing an Israeli team.
Nope. Such things would never be tolerated in stadiums here. I cannot imagine a club would allow a Jihad banner when playing an Israeli team.
Jihad banner when playing an Israeli team.
what is the difference is it jewish team or not?!
btw - so banners are bad but insulting opponents (chants etc) is ok?
what is the difference is it jewish team or not?!
btw - so banners are bad but insulting opponents (chants etc) is ok?
It's about respect for your opponents.
(...)
should not be tolerated in football stadiums
so i'm afraid you should close 99% of european stadiums
=============================
So start to close tham,
I can gurante that after the first stedium you will close 90% of the problam (inside the stadium) will disapeare, after the 3rd one it will go away
(...)
should not be tolerated in football stadiums
so i'm afraid you should close 99% of european stadiums
=============================
So start to close tham,
I can gurante that after the first stedium you will close 90% of the problam (inside the stadium) will disapeare, after the 3rd one it will go away
But hey, I agree Che is a good man. After all, the only good Che Guevara is a dead Che Guevara.
I hate those people walking around with a t-shirt of him. I guess you're one of them? ;-)
But this is off-topic, so if you want a real discussion about Che, go to an appropriate topic.
I hate those people walking around with a t-shirt of him. I guess you're one of them? ;-)
But this is off-topic, so if you want a real discussion about Che, go to an appropriate topic.
Actually there was a change during last season and now match officials check what supporters bring into the stadium [mostly the banners] and if they consider it political/inappropriate they confiscate the banners.
(edited)
(edited)
what is the difference is it jewish team or not?!
I'd say a Jihad banner is always wrong and should be forbidden in stadiums, but I think you know what I mean.
btw - so banners are bad but insulting opponents (chants etc) is ok?
Depends on the chants. Why do you think I'd allow all chants? I wouldn't allow "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles", though it is a chant.
I'd say a Jihad banner is always wrong and should be forbidden in stadiums, but I think you know what I mean.
btw - so banners are bad but insulting opponents (chants etc) is ok?
Depends on the chants. Why do you think I'd allow all chants? I wouldn't allow "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles", though it is a chant.
So start to close tham,
I can gurante that after the first stedium you will close 90% of the problam (inside the stadium) will disapeare, after the 3rd one it will go away
don't think so ;)
by the way - it's not my problem, i don't need closing stadiums
I can gurante that after the first stedium you will close 90% of the problam (inside the stadium) will disapeare, after the 3rd one it will go away
don't think so ;)
by the way - it's not my problem, i don't need closing stadiums
I'd say a Jihad banner is always wrong
YOU BAD PERSON!
it's like...
err...
islamophobia!
ok lads, so let's start telling bad things to rubinho :P.
btw - just wanna know.
what about our choreo with huge Jesus' face and banner "god save the fanatics"
was it bad?
btw - so banners are bad but insulting opponents (chants etc) is ok?
Depends on the chants.
aha, so it seems you accept any way of insulting people.
that shouldn't be allowed!
that's lack of respect!
YOU BAD PERSON!
it's like...
err...
islamophobia!
ok lads, so let's start telling bad things to rubinho :P.
btw - just wanna know.
what about our choreo with huge Jesus' face and banner "god save the fanatics"
was it bad?
btw - so banners are bad but insulting opponents (chants etc) is ok?
Depends on the chants.
aha, so it seems you accept any way of insulting people.
that shouldn't be allowed!
that's lack of respect!
Is there one? ;-)
I have like on a lot of things a nuanced, differentiated opinion on this issue as well. It is not all black or white in this world ( I am sorry that I have to stand in opposition with this against George W. Bush and the rest of the religious fanatics all over the world ;-) ). This world is a rather complicated place and even Einstein, Freud and all the others were not able to make it clear, why could anyone of us?
I have like on a lot of things a nuanced, differentiated opinion on this issue as well. It is not all black or white in this world ( I am sorry that I have to stand in opposition with this against George W. Bush and the rest of the religious fanatics all over the world ;-) ). This world is a rather complicated place and even Einstein, Freud and all the others were not able to make it clear, why could anyone of us?
Now... If you were following this forum topic closely u can see what i meant in one of my previous replies...
they simply dint get how racist/nationalist/antisemitic etc (all equally bad, and just saying that it wasnt racist act doesnt change a tiny thing)...
well anyway my point is they dont even get it... borkos and the rest of the polish crew are trying to defend those people because they think we attack them.. they dont even try to fully distance themselves form them and that is one of my main concerns...
what i can recognise in borkos reply, is past me, i thought i was liberal, but... You can see that his intentions are good and he also doesnt like it, but then the line where he starts thinking of it as a problem is wayyyyyyy much further from the line in a western world... and we cant blame him in any case.. u cant be much different if u grow up in such environment
and then u have a look at other replies.. like yahoo and some other, who basically put all their effort trying to justify their actions, thats how u get - roman salutes, jihad is not racism - therefore not a problem and so on....
just for example... my family is very well educated, probably among the higher earners in Lithuania. but then i come for the first time after studies in UK, we r having lunch and my mom asks if there are many n.... (the light version of it) there? My answer was " if u ever say that again, Im not ever having lunch with u again... ever.."
made the change really quickly... i could see they became cautions of what they say, and what may have seemed as an innocent question to them before now became the forbidden, as it should be...
and its not like they were trying to be racist or sth.. not even close... but if you were born and raised in EE environment, you simply dont get how racist u can be and still call urself a right liberal...
edit: by the time i finished this text yahoo managed to find some more excuses for jihad banner
i love to be right.... what a shame is that in this case im right about such things
(edited)
they simply dint get how racist/nationalist/antisemitic etc (all equally bad, and just saying that it wasnt racist act doesnt change a tiny thing)...
well anyway my point is they dont even get it... borkos and the rest of the polish crew are trying to defend those people because they think we attack them.. they dont even try to fully distance themselves form them and that is one of my main concerns...
what i can recognise in borkos reply, is past me, i thought i was liberal, but... You can see that his intentions are good and he also doesnt like it, but then the line where he starts thinking of it as a problem is wayyyyyyy much further from the line in a western world... and we cant blame him in any case.. u cant be much different if u grow up in such environment
and then u have a look at other replies.. like yahoo and some other, who basically put all their effort trying to justify their actions, thats how u get - roman salutes, jihad is not racism - therefore not a problem and so on....
just for example... my family is very well educated, probably among the higher earners in Lithuania. but then i come for the first time after studies in UK, we r having lunch and my mom asks if there are many n.... (the light version of it) there? My answer was " if u ever say that again, Im not ever having lunch with u again... ever.."
made the change really quickly... i could see they became cautions of what they say, and what may have seemed as an innocent question to them before now became the forbidden, as it should be...
and its not like they were trying to be racist or sth.. not even close... but if you were born and raised in EE environment, you simply dont get how racist u can be and still call urself a right liberal...
edit: by the time i finished this text yahoo managed to find some more excuses for jihad banner
i love to be right.... what a shame is that in this case im right about such things
(edited)
You know nothing about my environment. If anything, I was raised in a tolerant family, whether it's abotu race, religion or sexual orientation. As for my friends, none of the is xenophobic, racist etc. I've got to know Jews, Asians, Turks and black people at my studies - at home parties etc.
Seriously, I don't know even one person that is racist, antisemitic or homophobic. So please, the fact that you grew up in a racist family doesn't mean that I did, just because Lietuva is close to Poland.
I'm not trying to defend anyone - please show me exactly where I did. You're the worst type of discussion partner - you ignore what is written to you, you don't relate to what is written, you just tend to write something that is supposed to be clever and based on your experience. EOT from my side, bye.
Seriously, I don't know even one person that is racist, antisemitic or homophobic. So please, the fact that you grew up in a racist family doesn't mean that I did, just because Lietuva is close to Poland.
I'm not trying to defend anyone - please show me exactly where I did. You're the worst type of discussion partner - you ignore what is written to you, you don't relate to what is written, you just tend to write something that is supposed to be clever and based on your experience. EOT from my side, bye.