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Subject: Would you kill one to save many? Moral dilemma
formal education is primary school, high school and university?
I would say yes. When i counted that, then i said to myself wtf? 17 years spent at school ;-).
hehe, what a time wasted, if you count it into hours that would be such a huge number, and what percentage of this knowledge is usable? sometimes i wonder myself is it worth the effort to know e.g. major rivers in asia?
Me myself like to know a lot of things. I am hungry for knowledge. When i am remembering the time i spent at school then i wish i would be more interested in some things like history.
There is an other way how you can look at it. When you will go to retirement, you'll be about 67 years old (i would say 75 at least with the current speed of changing that :D) then you will spend about 40-50 years at work. And thats what i call a waste of time.
Today i went other route from work and i was going with my colleague. He told me he needs 1 and half hour to work. Thats 3 hours a day. Add 8 hours of work plus let say 1 hour for lunch. Thats 12 hours wasted a day. 8 hours for a sleep, so he has only 4 hours for himself + his family. WTF? Thats a life?
So all in all you'll waste 1/3 of your life in work, 1/3 in sleep, 1/20 at school.
There is an other way how you can look at it. When you will go to retirement, you'll be about 67 years old (i would say 75 at least with the current speed of changing that :D) then you will spend about 40-50 years at work. And thats what i call a waste of time.
Today i went other route from work and i was going with my colleague. He told me he needs 1 and half hour to work. Thats 3 hours a day. Add 8 hours of work plus let say 1 hour for lunch. Thats 12 hours wasted a day. 8 hours for a sleep, so he has only 4 hours for himself + his family. WTF? Thats a life?
So all in all you'll waste 1/3 of your life in work, 1/3 in sleep, 1/20 at school.
sometimes i wonder myself is it worth the effort to know e.g. major rivers in asia?
Was it such an effort?
After next year, I'll have 3 years of kindergarten, 6 years of primary school, 6 years of secondary school and 6 years at university. No time wasted if you ask me.
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Was it such an effort?
After next year, I'll have 3 years of kindergarten, 6 years of primary school, 6 years of secondary school and 6 years at university. No time wasted if you ask me.
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yeah, thats even worse - working where you have no fun of working. other way you spent 8h working which is the same as 8h of doing fun, hobby or so....
what i asked is do we really need so many things to know, like chaemistry on such an advanced level, or so detailed history of french revolution? it is fun to know, but maybe we could learn mor needful things instead
what i asked is do we really need so many things to know, like chaemistry on such an advanced level, or so detailed history of french revolution? it is fun to know, but maybe we could learn mor needful things instead
True, but then again it is hard to know, what information really is "useful" and what is not, if you don't know what job someone wants to do later. I for one always thought learning French is a waste of time and now I need that language also at work. Jobs are gettng more diverse and more and more people change their job several times during their life and need more knowledge.
About history: well I think having some history lessions does also contribute to your moral education. I mean the brutality of the french revolution or knowledge of the second world war may contribute to your moral standards and thus serves a purpose as well. Learning about other countries will open you up for them and will make you lose fear and prejudice. Of course some things we can agree on that they are not that useful, but with many things it is hard to say how important they are. :)
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About history: well I think having some history lessions does also contribute to your moral education. I mean the brutality of the french revolution or knowledge of the second world war may contribute to your moral standards and thus serves a purpose as well. Learning about other countries will open you up for them and will make you lose fear and prejudice. Of course some things we can agree on that they are not that useful, but with many things it is hard to say how important they are. :)
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99.99% of people have work in which they have no fun. My opinion is that to have work is obsolete, but thats another story ;-).
And although i did not like to have chemistry at school, because i sucked at it :D, i am still glad that i have basic education in that field. That goes for all of my education.
And as Rink said, you never know what you'll become. Even after finishing university.
And although i did not like to have chemistry at school, because i sucked at it :D, i am still glad that i have basic education in that field. That goes for all of my education.
And as Rink said, you never know what you'll become. Even after finishing university.
absolutly agree, thus, especially in poland, too many people finish study instead of learning useful skills which leaves them open-minded (in theory). i also like having a lot of informations, as some help me feel better than others, who dont know that much, but i used several; years to gather them:)
anyway - im curious whether your general knowledge and ability to think straight helps you to be more moral (whatever it would mean). this is goal of several studys, from most of says more thinking = more utilitarian the rsponce (means you go for more utility instead of folowing some universal rules). i think this is a to broad assumprion, and want to investigate it
anyway - im curious whether your general knowledge and ability to think straight helps you to be more moral (whatever it would mean). this is goal of several studys, from most of says more thinking = more utilitarian the rsponce (means you go for more utility instead of folowing some universal rules). i think this is a to broad assumprion, and want to investigate it
Ah now I get it. When it said that more thinking = more utilitarian decisions I thought of quick decisions - whether you have to act instantly or have a few minutes. Now I see it's about education.
Btw as Rinky said, school has to give a broad spectrum of education. Because one of the pupils might become a chemical laborant, another historian and another one plumber. And don't forget that schools are not only about knowledge, but also about methods, techniques, making friends, social interactions, working together, discipline etc.
@Levi
lol, 3 years kindergarden is usual in Belgium or did you have to stay down? :p I didn't count my kindergarden year to formal education :)
Btw as Rinky said, school has to give a broad spectrum of education. Because one of the pupils might become a chemical laborant, another historian and another one plumber. And don't forget that schools are not only about knowledge, but also about methods, techniques, making friends, social interactions, working together, discipline etc.
@Levi
lol, 3 years kindergarden is usual in Belgium or did you have to stay down? :p I didn't count my kindergarden year to formal education :)
From age 3 to 6, what's so strange about it?
That's really early :o I had only one year, went there with 6 I think. Two years were already an exception, meanwhile I believe most kids here stay two years, but they also start earlier (with 4).