Subject: European Union

I dont think, that 20% max of crimes is bad at that media laws...but there are bigger problems... I dont know it exactly and of course I am not able to explain it fast in english, but it is something like that if they are writing something maybe "not true" or "offending" or some "political attack" or some kind of far-right opinion.. this can be penalized....

but such a judge for this can not exist...this is foolish.... If somebody will write something bad on government, he can be penalised.... this I think is the major problem, but maybe some Magyar should explain it better.....

Either the government or the government's parties. The opposition is weak in Hungary and the public media doesn't give them chance to speak practically.
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i dont care because of this "max 20% crime in the news" rules. i hate that if i see the news there are nothing imortant about society, politic etc. just crimes: who killed his mother, who crushed or what did our celebs do. this is suck.

i dont care that the hungarian media law try to regulate the internet. i hate that on internet can work racist sites and nobody can do everithing if somebody hurt the personality rights. i know that its impossible to regulate the internet, but i dont mind if theoratically culpable.

what is the problem with this media law?
- we have a new "media authority", what is lead by five people delegated by our goverment (or his party) they have every right to controll the whole media (tv, newspaper, internet)
- as mizrolist said in the state channel the ratio of the goverments patry is more than 70-80%. who will controll it? the new authority? i doubt it.

first: i support the free media (politically). the best thing would be the autonomy. i would like such authority over the media to where are delegated jurnalists and editors.
second: i hate that the media leads the people without they know it. we have to save our children, the personally rights, the dignity etc. so media cant be absolutelly free. without rules the media shows every time only sex and violence.

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That's not true. Our media is not regulated at all, and it's not only sex and violence. And I don't think EU allows any control on media. And that's a good thing. You say you support free media, but they can't completely choose their topics? That's far from free to me.

i doubt that in belgium the media is absoultelly free. :)
is it allowed to show porn daytime on national channels or broadcast racists comments?

in hungary there is a special rule: if you broadcast sexual or violent programme on tv you have to pay attention who is allowed to see it. and you cant broadcast programme over 18 daytime.



the responsibility belongs to the parents to not let the children to watch the tv.


for example one of our channel was penalize because they show erotical stuff daytime with bad classification (12, 16, 18)




so i think you dont know so much about our media to judge. let it us to save our children as we want it. it has worked in hungary for a long while, and nobody cares.

in the otherside i agree that this media law is suck. but not because of what you are talking about. the main problem is that the media authority is lead solely by the people of the goverments.
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I think they are allowed to show porn, but they don't, the channels are descent enough not to do that. And racism or discrimination is illegal for everyone in Belgium. However, the far-right party in Flanders does get time on television when it are elections. They are invited when there are shows about elections with debates in it. So yes, the media in Belgium are free to do what they want. As long as they follow our laws ( concerning racism etc. ).

okay, so we can agree that the media isnt allowed to do EVERYTHING they want even in belgium. :)

as i told you i agree that this media law is suks, but not because it try to prevent the fouls, but because the media authority is lead by only one party.

There are regulations: They cannot broadcast any commercial they want (controlled by ethics committee)

But the field in which the channels can work is pretty vast though

But the field in which the channels can work is pretty vast though

this is the matter in hungary too.

unfortunatelly we have celebs, reality shows etc. like in every western country. we have some law to save the children, to controll the comercials etc, but thats all.

And my point is that there shouldn't be a media authority at all.

And no, we don't agree. Nobody can do everything they want. You can't kill people if you want that. Nobody is absolute free. Killing is forbidden, just like discrimination. It are crimes. So no, the media can't commit crimes - just like other people aren't allowed to commit crimes. That's a big difference with being free to choose your own topics.

That's not all. In western countries you don't have such laws ( like the one the EU is watching ). This is a severe violation of the freedom of speech and freedom of media, and it shouldn't be tolerated.

okay, i think its okay to prepare such authority to contoroll the media, but we dont have to agree in this question. i think the protection of the children is more important.

but never forget that not hungary is the only in the EU where exists such authority (eg. in england)! the difference is that in england this authority has autonomy. and this is what dosent work in hungary...

But in England, the news can choose their topics. That's the difference.

as long as you don't publish information you got from someone who has copy it from a 'secret file' ...

Let's not have that discussion again...
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It was just an exemple from the double standard in the defense of freedom of media in Europe.
All media must be free, except when it harms my interests.

Another exemple: a few years ago Med tv broadcasted from Belgium. After pressure from Turkey, the the station was banned further broadcast for a few unclear reasons.