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You will never see 1 million people on games like these (very tactical with match viewer) because not everyone have the brains to manage teams like these on games like Sokker (very successful game of this type btw) or FS or UM.
That's what UM owners keep telling themselves :P
But look at sokker, 30k 40k + or - users
Sokker is a 2004 game. We barely got back from 20k users and we're not sure how stable all those new users will be yet.
In my personal opinion, 5k users in these types of games is good enough, so more than that is success.
Possibly. At least with 5k there would be a game to talk about. But son't underestimate borkos' argument. UM already died, and it's hard to come up with any example of a game like this that has managed to succeed in the last... 5 years? 10 years? HT and SK are survivors from old times (and only SK is really SK-like or FS-like :P).
I wish all the best to FS and to anyone making such a project, I don't doubt the game itself, but I do doubt the market...
That's what UM owners keep telling themselves :P
But look at sokker, 30k 40k + or - users
Sokker is a 2004 game. We barely got back from 20k users and we're not sure how stable all those new users will be yet.
In my personal opinion, 5k users in these types of games is good enough, so more than that is success.
Possibly. At least with 5k there would be a game to talk about. But son't underestimate borkos' argument. UM already died, and it's hard to come up with any example of a game like this that has managed to succeed in the last... 5 years? 10 years? HT and SK are survivors from old times (and only SK is really SK-like or FS-like :P).
I wish all the best to FS and to anyone making such a project, I don't doubt the game itself, but I do doubt the market...
The only successful game of this kind in last decade is Goal United. But they are a fast-paced, non-complicated game for everybody. So kind of the opposite of what Football Strategy is.
As for the 5k users...I doubt that 5k users would even start to pay back for the time and money spent on creating FS. And the idea that 5k is a good result just shows how dead the market is. Way back we thought that 60k for sokker is not enough and greg said that he will start taking care professionally of sokker when it reaches 100k. Hatrrick made it to hundreds of thousands, if not 1 million.
FS seems to have a decent match graphics (the match engine probably makes no sense) and should be converted to an easy free-to-play mobile game, then it could make decent money.
As for the 5k users...I doubt that 5k users would even start to pay back for the time and money spent on creating FS. And the idea that 5k is a good result just shows how dead the market is. Way back we thought that 60k for sokker is not enough and greg said that he will start taking care professionally of sokker when it reaches 100k. Hatrrick made it to hundreds of thousands, if not 1 million.
FS seems to have a decent match graphics (the match engine probably makes no sense) and should be converted to an easy free-to-play mobile game, then it could make decent money.
the pc is old not browser games, now all is based on smartphone
It started in May 2014, so 1 year and a half. :P
no, it started like beta in March 2013, then reset and new beta again in 2013...
I play since the first beta
no, it started like beta in March 2013, then reset and new beta again in 2013...
I play since the first beta
Betas dont count. Anyway, this discussion is pointless. We are trying to discuss the aspects of the game, not if it has X number of users or when it started or if internet games are dead etc etc. For me the games im playing are alive. If im having fun in those games, then they are alive to me. Sk, FS, UM, TM, HT those 5 games are the ones I play, and someone said UM is dead, but as far as im concerned UM is still online and im still having fun with it hehe. ;)
How about we organize a tournament?, a FS tournament with Sk users, that would be fun, what do you think?.
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How about we organize a tournament?, a FS tournament with Sk users, that would be fun, what do you think?.
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the pc is old not browser games, now all is based on smartphone
not really
most games are still made for PC/consoles...like GTA, Fallout, Witcher, Call of Duty, FIFA etc.
but the browser-based games market moved to the smartphones and tablets
not really
most games are still made for PC/consoles...like GTA, Fallout, Witcher, Call of Duty, FIFA etc.
but the browser-based games market moved to the smartphones and tablets
browser based game market moved to dumb idle games which you can play whenever you like. people want to dictate the game more and more, most soccer games want to dictate the people(deadlines, matches etc) it worked when it was fresh and there was little alternative, now Football manager offers the way for people to dictate the game.
Current competition for December goals of the month:
(It is recommended to watch them in 480 resolution).
AC Milan:
Link: https://www.youtube.com/v/MqXVVTvhdWU
Orden Dorada FC:
Link: https://www.youtube.com/v/25bzee5cOXE
Team Lagann FC:
Link: https://www.youtube.com/v/0CIpUxgyHlU
More to come soon.
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(It is recommended to watch them in 480 resolution).
AC Milan:
Link: https://www.youtube.com/v/MqXVVTvhdWU
Orden Dorada FC:
Link: https://www.youtube.com/v/25bzee5cOXE
Team Lagann FC:
Link: https://www.youtube.com/v/0CIpUxgyHlU
More to come soon.
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Yes, there is 6 users atm. Maybe 5 now, havent log in for a while.
Marts Has Estonia been added to this game?
Yes, Estonia is in the game.
Winston Yes, there is 6 users atm. Maybe 5 now, havent log in for a while.
The game improved so much in the last 3 months, both in the match engine and the viewer, as well as with the new user friendly training system and tactics, you dont know what you are missing now hehe. If you didnt log in for 30 days then you lost the team, thats the limit time. They really changed the game for the better this season. The admins have announced so much better stuff coming, they are really going all-in with this. :)
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Yes, Estonia is in the game.
Winston Yes, there is 6 users atm. Maybe 5 now, havent log in for a while.
The game improved so much in the last 3 months, both in the match engine and the viewer, as well as with the new user friendly training system and tactics, you dont know what you are missing now hehe. If you didnt log in for 30 days then you lost the team, thats the limit time. They really changed the game for the better this season. The admins have announced so much better stuff coming, they are really going all-in with this. :)
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I registered to check how much it changed and I'm disappointed.
1. Still many bugs. For example I move 3 players from u19 team to the main team and I can't use them in the match lineup. Why?
2. I can't set the training. I can only choose the intensivity of training, but not what the players should train.
3. The tactics suck. Before it was similar to sokker, now you only choose formation and the pressing/width parametres. Big disappointment.
The graphics nice, but the layout design is far from perfect. For example every time the page refreshes [for example after sacking a player], it refreshes TOTALLY...let's say I was browsing through the u19 team, I had them lined up by potential - after refresh I'm suddenly in the main team menu.
1. Still many bugs. For example I move 3 players from u19 team to the main team and I can't use them in the match lineup. Why?
2. I can't set the training. I can only choose the intensivity of training, but not what the players should train.
3. The tactics suck. Before it was similar to sokker, now you only choose formation and the pressing/width parametres. Big disappointment.
The graphics nice, but the layout design is far from perfect. For example every time the page refreshes [for example after sacking a player], it refreshes TOTALLY...let's say I was browsing through the u19 team, I had them lined up by potential - after refresh I'm suddenly in the main team menu.
1. Still many bugs. For example I move 3 players from u19 team to the main team and I can't use them in the match lineup. Why?
Its not a bug. You have to wait 3 days before you can use those young players in the main team after you move them. After those 3 days you can use them.
The other bugs you told me about in sk-mail about the layout, those are minor things that can be fixed and doesnt really affect the game.
2. I can't set the training. I can only choose the intensivity of training, but not what the players should train.
Training was changed, yes you can set the training any way you want. You can change the parameters of training for each position or for players individually (there you can specify how much % you want to train each skill). Read the rules, its explained there. Although its better explained in a small guide/tutorial I made in spanish, I dont feel like translating it to english. Im not a mod nor the admin of the game :/ , so I do what I can as a normal user to help my fellow venezuelan and spanish speaking partners, but translating it to english would be too much work and I do this as a hobby, maybe one day I will translate the small guide/tutorial, maybe not hehe. If you understand spanish, go to the venezuelan freestyle forum and enter the footballstrategy topic, there in the first post is the small guide. xD
3. The tactics suck. Before it was similar to sokker, now you only choose formation and the pressing/width parametres. Big disappointment.
As a hardcore tactician, I love sokker tactics, but I also love FS tactics. Its user-friendly and it works very well. Those parameters and the individual orders tell you how you want your players to play. Its quicker and user friendly, yet at the same time, its very strategic and tactical too. I played the whole season testing different combinations and styles. My tactic parameters and tactical orders helped me beat superior teams, I even beat the owner of the game himself both of us using our best teams. You can play different styles with those parameters, offside trap, pressings, long style passings, short style passings, a combination of both (depending also on the tactical positions), etc etc etc. Im telling you I tested non-stop all season. I can tell you by my personal experience it works wonders. You cant say the tactics suck if you havent even played it (everything changed this season, so the other tactics style you played months ago no longer count). So how can something suck if you havent tested it?.
Anyway man, to each their own. Its cool if you dont like the game. Sokker has its wonders, so does FS. Both games are special in their own way. ;)
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Its not a bug. You have to wait 3 days before you can use those young players in the main team after you move them. After those 3 days you can use them.
The other bugs you told me about in sk-mail about the layout, those are minor things that can be fixed and doesnt really affect the game.
2. I can't set the training. I can only choose the intensivity of training, but not what the players should train.
Training was changed, yes you can set the training any way you want. You can change the parameters of training for each position or for players individually (there you can specify how much % you want to train each skill). Read the rules, its explained there. Although its better explained in a small guide/tutorial I made in spanish, I dont feel like translating it to english. Im not a mod nor the admin of the game :/ , so I do what I can as a normal user to help my fellow venezuelan and spanish speaking partners, but translating it to english would be too much work and I do this as a hobby, maybe one day I will translate the small guide/tutorial, maybe not hehe. If you understand spanish, go to the venezuelan freestyle forum and enter the footballstrategy topic, there in the first post is the small guide. xD
3. The tactics suck. Before it was similar to sokker, now you only choose formation and the pressing/width parametres. Big disappointment.
As a hardcore tactician, I love sokker tactics, but I also love FS tactics. Its user-friendly and it works very well. Those parameters and the individual orders tell you how you want your players to play. Its quicker and user friendly, yet at the same time, its very strategic and tactical too. I played the whole season testing different combinations and styles. My tactic parameters and tactical orders helped me beat superior teams, I even beat the owner of the game himself both of us using our best teams. You can play different styles with those parameters, offside trap, pressings, long style passings, short style passings, a combination of both (depending also on the tactical positions), etc etc etc. Im telling you I tested non-stop all season. I can tell you by my personal experience it works wonders. You cant say the tactics suck if you havent even played it (everything changed this season, so the other tactics style you played months ago no longer count). So how can something suck if you havent tested it?.
Anyway man, to each their own. Its cool if you dont like the game. Sokker has its wonders, so does FS. Both games are special in their own way. ;)
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So how does the game work as there are so few users? Are there bot teams or what?
Yep there are bot teams. You'll play against bots in the lower divisions but in most countries the top division(s) are filled with humans, so that's quite fun actually. They will advertise the game in a few months and then the game will see a lot of users joining, it's advisable to join already so you have a head start on those users.