Subject: Bet on Euro 2016

france has some good players, no coach(deschamps is a joke as a coach).

You cannot compete with Abramovich, Glazers and the petrodollars.

Tell me again, who won the Premier League last season?

And tell me...who owns Arsenal? Stan Kroenke, was it? The owner of the Denver Nuggets, Colorado Avalanche, Colorado Rapids, and the Los Angeles Rams? He is the major shareholder with over 60%, yes? The over-eight-billion-dollars guy, Kroenke?

And the minor shareholder with over 30% is Usmanov, who is supposedly the wealthiest man in whole Russia, with over 13 billions?

They can't compete with Glazers and Abramovich, hm?

As coach:
With Monaco, final champion's league 2004
Italia Serie B campionne with Juventus and Champion de France with Marseille
4 League french Cups in 2003, 2010, 2011 et 2012.
Best coach of the year in 2003 and 2011 (France Football)
Best Ligue 1 coach (trophée UNFP) in 2004
WC 2014 in Brazil: defeat in 1/4 final 1-0 against future World Champion who beat Brazil 7-1

Can Wenger say better?

The kinda bad decision Arsenal and possibly Wenger made was to go on with the new stadium building process in the 2000´s after they did not get money from the government. This meant Arsenal lost 4-5 of their stars directly and probably a few others in next years and with the new money that was pumped into Premier clubs at pretty much the same time and gathering of all the stars it was already very difficult to find any quality players and i think even more importantly quality staff. They had to restructure the club and hire mostly youth staff. You cant really train with money, no matter how much owners have, you need skilled trainers and oil-rich newcomers had gathered most of them already by that time.

I think Wenger has done quite spectaculary by buying mostly only 20 year olds due to their club structure. Last few years they have gone and done some big transfers aswell and i think it kinda has worked. Im confident that we will see a trophy winning Arsenal in at least 3-4 years tops.

He made the match yesterday, simply.
If you look the France first minutes, they were attending in they half the Icelands. That made the difference in the match against England because Iceland doesn't have creative players and they can only defend and do counter attack.

Luckly France find the goal early but the mental attitude "Ok, let them play, grab the ball and counter attack" was the best option in a match like that

Wenger is not buying unknown players anyway
And if you think he's good he should be good in Europe cups but since he's only tactic has 20 years old right know also Ranieri knows how to stop him.

I can't really understand, since I live in London, why Arsenal fans can't see this.
Probably he had the best team of season but he arrived in 2nd or 3rd place and last season, only Arsenal and Tottenham could lose the title, and honestly if I was in her boss I would spend 1M pounds betting on Leicester to get big money

I doubt it.

You can talk all about the Premier League moguls, but these rich teams fail and show close to nothing in Champions League, including Arsenal. When was the last time Arsenal reached quarter-final? I believe it was 7 years ago?

Premier league teams are in a win-win situation.
they can lose game, qualification, trophies without loosing the enormous flow of money they get..

.. and this allows a lot of money making with bets.. if you know what I mean..

I don't really believe so. On the contrary. The clubs and players make such good money that they have no desire for fishy business with Asians.

Poor Spanish and Italian clubs, especially from 2nd league...they do have the desire to fix matches with Asians.

It doesnt matter who owns Arsenal, if he doesnt pump money like Chelski, City and United.

For example: ARSENE WENGER has been warned his transfer budget for the summer cannot exceed £54.1million. link here That's a joke, Chelski sometimes spends more money on a single fail-player. Look at Utd, Van Gaal has changed the entire team, now Mourinho will probably do the same.

Meanwhile City and Utd gets 200mil pounds transfer budget link and Conte "only" 77.3 mil link which is not a big surprise since Chelsky already has many players.
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For example: ARSENE WENGER has been warned his transfer budget for the summer cannot exceed £54.1million

Have you seen your source? :D tranfer GOSSIP

Wenger has the money, he just doesn't spend it, he admitted it last season.

this season he has said that Arsenal has a big budget.

He said: "Stan Kroenke is completely behind myself and the board investing as much money as we want.
"It has to be in respect of a balanced budget, we have resources but the problem is finding players.

As for Manchester United. They have spent 140m euro last season, but they also SOLD for over 100m euro. So they actually spent only 40m. Less than Wenger paid for Xhaka.

In season 14/15 Wenger spent 120m euro and got only 25m. So he spent almost 100 millions. That's a low budget, LOL

Last season he admitted he had the money but couldn't bring in the players that he wanted. So it's his fault, not the budget's.

Anyway, look at Leicester. Look at less rich teams in champions league, like Borussia Dortmund, Juventus or Atletico that reach the final of Champions League. They don't spend big and yet they have much better results than Wenger's Arsenal.
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Arsenal

Arrivals Departures


2005 39.1m 21.25m
2006 12.8m 11.07m
2007 26.56m 48.54m
2008 34.13m 21.93m
2009 10.20m 40.55m
2010 19.55m 8.16m
2011 55.65m 66.55m
2012 47.60m 55.97m
2013 41.86m 10.33m
2014 101.13m 23.63m
2015 24.91m 2.13m

In the past 11 years, total arrivals 413.49m, total departures 310.11

Chelsky in 2004 only has spent 143m...City 203.70m in 2015

You see what i'm talking about? You were saying that Wenger is overrated, but he is the only manager in the Premiere League who doesnt spend money like crazy, he has a pretty balanaced budged and still has performance.

Dont talk about Juve, Dortmund and Atleti, this whole discussion started when you said Wenger is overrated. Wenger plays in the Premiere League, first he has to compete with the moron spenders teams to make it to the Champions League.


Leicester? An amazing season, we'll talk about this in 10-15 years, let's see if they manage to be constantly among the first 4-5 teams in the PL.


Btw, Ibrahimovich's transfer was a gossip, Myktharian's transfer was a gossip, like Matuidi's transfer is still a gossip, Mourinho taking over Mutd was a gossip...

so he lost over 100M, withouth counting wages to win what?
And the years bigger teams failed he get? second?

His team lacks of continuity, the art of getting wictory in those game where you don't play well.
The winning coaches are less spectacular, but have the focus on the objective of win.

The strange thing is that wenger has still some fan (and still that job!!!)
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As for Manchester United. They have spent 140m euro last season

naaah... 75 for Di Maria, 37.5 for Shaw, 36 for Herrera, 20 for Rojo, 18 for Blind, 10 for Falcao are almost 200 (icluding some youth player over 200)

but they also SOLD for over 100m euro

almost 50 not almost 100! Official -146mln!

Last season he admitted he had the money but couldn't bring in the players that he wanted. So it's his fault, not the budget's.

same lame story every year. WHO is on market and what's the price + are this players better than the actual ones? Some stupid "fans" will always cry for superstars. But we're not Chelsky and we're not ManCity. Let them buy titles. One day Abramowitsch and Bin Zayed are mad from their toys and spending 100 mln every year (some crazy way to cheat financial fairplay). Until than it's OK to finish 2nd or 3rd but having fun to go to the statium, to see good football and singing: boooring, boooring Chelsea ;-) OK, JM is no more there, now it's boooring, boooring ManU...

Ok fellows, i rest my case. Losing 100m in 11 years transfers is zero for a top-team in Premier League. Imho Wenger is not overrated at all, he is an old-school manager who also cares about money.