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Subject: Supporters Mood Dropping...
The mood is not the same calculation as ranking.
My ranking was going up, while my mood went down.
The different between your Ranking and opponent is at least as wrong part of the mood calculation. Its too harsh on high ranked teams, too easy for mood to drop, too hard to gain mood.
I agree with the concept, just its too harsh at the moment in my opinion. If it was easy down, then when your on a low mood (2,1,0) then easier to lift the fans. Id my happier. Seems like its a big hill to get up. Loose your footing once or twice and your at the bottom.
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However Id prefer a system where its easy to get to normal mood. Down and up the way. Difficult to get into very high or very low moods. A run of victories or run of defeats either way. This would make more sense and cause less people to moan!
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I understand its more difficult and more a pain for devs to code a more complex calculation. But it would be worth it.
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My ranking was going up, while my mood went down.
The different between your Ranking and opponent is at least as wrong part of the mood calculation. Its too harsh on high ranked teams, too easy for mood to drop, too hard to gain mood.
I agree with the concept, just its too harsh at the moment in my opinion. If it was easy down, then when your on a low mood (2,1,0) then easier to lift the fans. Id my happier. Seems like its a big hill to get up. Loose your footing once or twice and your at the bottom.
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However Id prefer a system where its easy to get to normal mood. Down and up the way. Difficult to get into very high or very low moods. A run of victories or run of defeats either way. This would make more sense and cause less people to moan!
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I understand its more difficult and more a pain for devs to code a more complex calculation. But it would be worth it.
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Frankly I don't understand my supporters. I won the championship last year, then I lose the qualification (mood went from 7 to 4). Currently I'm third in the championship - but my supporter's mood is 7 again and they are keeping coming since december... (maybe that't the trick that I only have 1800 supporters...)
I'm feeling lucky because I don't have any problems... and I'm sorry for all the leaving supporters - the great teams and great managers don't deserve this.
I'm feeling lucky because I don't have any problems... and I'm sorry for all the leaving supporters - the great teams and great managers don't deserve this.
It was easier to gain fans under the old system. Especially during the 1st half of the season where the cup used to provide easy fan boosts. There is bound to be a transition to lower levels of fan club for people near the soft-cap for their league level.
Probably won't take much longer - might solve the inflation people used to complain of
Probably won't take much longer - might solve the inflation people used to complain of
yesterday was my first time ever to win a league match without having mood increase as well =(
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well you do have a vastly higher ranking than the opponent you narrowly beat
how does the ranking system work? I am at ~ 2700 ranking points and have been in the second division in Scotland for 2 seaons now. On looking at a few teams in division 1 i have a much higher ranking than they have.
Is this the problem? Is your rank nailed to you despite being in a lower league for 2 seasons???
Is this the problem? Is your rank nailed to you despite being in a lower league for 2 seasons???
Your ranking has nothing to do with the league you are in.
When you started playing, you received 1600 ranking points.
Based on your results (victories, defeats, draws), you have gained or lost points.
Your current ranking points is the accumulation of all these results.
Often, teams who have started before will have more points than you even if they are in a lower league.
If you are a fast learner and have won many competitions in a very short time (eg: promoted 3 times in 4 seasons of playing Sokker), you will probably have a lot less ranking points than those who have "stagnated" during many seasons in same or even lower leagues.
On average, a team who can stay in the same league is able to accumulate enough wins and defeats to have enough league points that allow them to be saved or to play a qualifying match. At the end of the season, those teams have usually more points than when the season started. (This also because they played more easy cup and friendly matches that gave them the opportunity to gain more points)
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When you started playing, you received 1600 ranking points.
Based on your results (victories, defeats, draws), you have gained or lost points.
Your current ranking points is the accumulation of all these results.
Often, teams who have started before will have more points than you even if they are in a lower league.
If you are a fast learner and have won many competitions in a very short time (eg: promoted 3 times in 4 seasons of playing Sokker), you will probably have a lot less ranking points than those who have "stagnated" during many seasons in same or even lower leagues.
On average, a team who can stay in the same league is able to accumulate enough wins and defeats to have enough league points that allow them to be saved or to play a qualifying match. At the end of the season, those teams have usually more points than when the season started. (This also because they played more easy cup and friendly matches that gave them the opportunity to gain more points)
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loop, i agree with you,
this season supporters and sponsors are going down week by week, doesnt matter how you are doing in the cup and league. all high league teams are getting in worst situation. while new teams although losing with 5 or more goals difference are getting 27 new fans. for old teams that sucks.
on the other hand for the new teams this is a very nice situation, they are getting more cash.
but how is that in the real world...
top teams almost never play 4-5-6 tours with teams from much lower divisions. so in real life there are no problems like those. if sokker is a game, then it must not try to reflect the reality because in reality it occurs to be like that.
sokker has its own reality. why do i have to play with teams from 6th, 5th, 4th division 5 or 6 weeks in a row? in which country cup you can give me such an example?
anyway, in Türkiye almost all high league teams complain because of this adjustment. my sponsors income went down from 246 250 $ to 202 500 $ compared to last season. i hope this will not be a long term problem, but if this is not regulated every season we will have the same problem over and over again.
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this season supporters and sponsors are going down week by week, doesnt matter how you are doing in the cup and league. all high league teams are getting in worst situation. while new teams although losing with 5 or more goals difference are getting 27 new fans. for old teams that sucks.
on the other hand for the new teams this is a very nice situation, they are getting more cash.
but how is that in the real world...
top teams almost never play 4-5-6 tours with teams from much lower divisions. so in real life there are no problems like those. if sokker is a game, then it must not try to reflect the reality because in reality it occurs to be like that.
sokker has its own reality. why do i have to play with teams from 6th, 5th, 4th division 5 or 6 weeks in a row? in which country cup you can give me such an example?
anyway, in Türkiye almost all high league teams complain because of this adjustment. my sponsors income went down from 246 250 $ to 202 500 $ compared to last season. i hope this will not be a long term problem, but if this is not regulated every season we will have the same problem over and over again.
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The old mood system needed fixing as it was unfair to teams meeting much better teams, but unfortunately the new is a lot worse. I've had a correspondance with Greg about this. I was a bit surprised that he bothered, cred to him for that, but unfortunately hee seems too muleheaded to budge even an inch.
His mantra was that these things happen only in 0,5 % of the matches, and that they were the matches where you had a match up he compared to Barcelona vs an amateur team. How that could apply when both teams play in the same league was not explained though.
As a last resort i tried to find out how the difference between the teams are calculated as I couldn't see any consistence with either ratings, league level or ranking. His answer was that ranking plays no part in it as "Ranking is useless here as it is affected by friendly games".
I asked him this last question: "What is used to determine what team is the stronger and by how much?" and he answered "On various factors, mainly previous matches, but with right value on friendly games".
So we have a secret factor deciding what the supporters expect. We have now way of knowing what it is and if it fair or flawed. Ok, we can see that it's flawed from the outcome, but we can't point to the error. Which is a great way of ensuring that you don't get constructive critisism and making everyone who complains look like whiners.
One more concrete piece of info was that friendly have only marginal effect on the mood. Greg said: "Friendly games influence on supporters mood is marginal. Rather nobody care about it (it hasn't changed with new system)."
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His mantra was that these things happen only in 0,5 % of the matches, and that they were the matches where you had a match up he compared to Barcelona vs an amateur team. How that could apply when both teams play in the same league was not explained though.
As a last resort i tried to find out how the difference between the teams are calculated as I couldn't see any consistence with either ratings, league level or ranking. His answer was that ranking plays no part in it as "Ranking is useless here as it is affected by friendly games".
I asked him this last question: "What is used to determine what team is the stronger and by how much?" and he answered "On various factors, mainly previous matches, but with right value on friendly games".
So we have a secret factor deciding what the supporters expect. We have now way of knowing what it is and if it fair or flawed. Ok, we can see that it's flawed from the outcome, but we can't point to the error. Which is a great way of ensuring that you don't get constructive critisism and making everyone who complains look like whiners.
One more concrete piece of info was that friendly have only marginal effect on the mood. Greg said: "Friendly games influence on supporters mood is marginal. Rather nobody care about it (it hasn't changed with new system)."
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interesting, especially the part wich 'explains' how the new supp-mood system works.. i don't really understand the benefit of the new calculations though..
I don't think it's flawed, it seems pretty consistent in the results it gives What teams fan mood can you suggest as an example of a flawed result?
Most teams complaining about it are unhappy that they lose a mood level by beating an inferior team by just a goal when they have the capability to win by more. That fan attitude is directly reflected in real life where fans are disappointed to not win by more goals against a weaker team. I see no flaw in that, it's just common sense.
Most teams complaining about it are unhappy that they lose a mood level by beating an inferior team by just a goal when they have the capability to win by more. That fan attitude is directly reflected in real life where fans are disappointed to not win by more goals against a weaker team. I see no flaw in that, it's just common sense.
lol...
I draw today in a friendly match, and the supporters mood dropped... stupid system...
I draw today in a friendly match, and the supporters mood dropped... stupid system...
Same thing happened to me.
2 losses this season and the fans are furious.
2 losses this season and the fans are furious.
You lost in the 4th round of the cup to a 1st division team when you won the cup last year. You lost in the league to a team not as good as you. Why shouldn't your fans be furious?