Subject: Supporters Mood Dropping...

Your argument for the change is so strong that you point to the flawed system that it replaced and tell people that they are lucky 'cos it would have been worse under that system, I think that says it all.

It does say it all - people come to complain about the new system and they are actually complaining about things it improved! Do they realise they are asking for the changes to be bigger?

Quite a lot of the posts here on the subject are so uninformed (I could use stronger terms for their lack of knowledge - but I'd be banned) that they are laughable.

People who complain that their mood dropped because they lost are beyond satire really

He lost to a stronger team then him wasn't the change supposed to help him against stronger teams or are we moving the goalposts yet again on this subject.

indeed - it was supposed to help him - the old complaint was that in those circumstances his mood would have dropped to furious from madly in love.

And the change has helped it only dropped a perfectly reasonable 2 levels. Mattius is complaining about the change but apparently because he wants the change to be bigger. This is quite different from most peoples complaint.

And it wasn't a bigger team - mattius has a higher ranking - dropping 2 levels when your winning streak ends and you fail to promote by losing 5-1 to a lower ranked team seems perfect to me

Ranking is not supposed to be a factor, seems the goalposts are being moved again.

What would have happened under the old system is irrelevant. This new system was supposed to favour the underdog and actually give them mood rises in defeat against better teams, this was not the case in this example and as if that isn't bad enough he dropped two levels.

he lost a relegation match and you really want his fan mood to stay on top level? lol!

well ranking is a guide - since we don't know the actual system the goalposts aren't moving we just don't know where they are

you miss the point though

The actual outcome for mattius seems reasonable - his winning streak ended and he failed to promote - and the team he lost to isn't really much 'better' - it should drop a level or 2. Not 5 like in the old system...

do you think it should go up? even staying the same would be silly!
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In my eyes the change was a good change, although it is not realy perfect at present, but I think we are on the right way. Switch a little here and there and maybe in 2 or 3 seasons we all can say it's perfect.

agree. When following the discussions about that and looking at my team too then in most cases the fan mood was very close to that what I would be as fan.
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I thought Greg had said that ranking is not used, I could be wrong but I am pretty sure that he did say that. Ranking is nowhere a good guide to strength anyway, are you saying it is?

He was the weaker team by 7.7 and that's actually quite a large difference seeing that he had an average of 30 compared to 37.7. He was also a div 4 team against a div 3 how is he not an underdog and how is a loss not expected.

If inferior teams can have a rise after a loss then of course it could go up after a loss the rules of this change have suposed to have been doing that sort of thing all season long. I am not however saying it should have gone up. Maybe staying the same would have been the right thing seeing the result should have been expected, a drop of two levels is silly though.

so you as fan would be totally happy if the team you support fails to promote to a higher division in a relegation match?

I haven't come up against that sort of system IRL in my country but as a fan I can see if my team is outclassed and wouldn't lose sleep over losing a match that I expected we were the underdogs in.

To me people seem to be accepting that the system needed change but they are saying that it seems to not be right yet and could do with a tweek more.

There are two threads on this topic one here and one on sokker international (en). We have two similar playoff games one had a team winning 5-1 and one had a team losing 5-1 with fairly similar av ratings differences between the teams in the matches. Weirdly the loser here dropped two levels while the winner of the match in the other thread also dropped two levels, that is just silly and this system is not working to me when that sort of thing is happening.

1 was trying to go up and the other to avoid going down - so the matches are a little different. We don't know where their moods started before the 2 level drop either.

Presumably the guy who was trying to promote started at max and dropped 2 levels after failure = reasonable

The guy in the relegation match won against a lesser team and was over punished IMHO - 5-1 should always be a big enough win I think to keep the fans at least as they were

But the team is over 20% inferior on av ratings so a 5-1 loss has to be expected going on what sort of scores are achieved in sokker. The starting fan mood is irrelevent, I have seen no news about fan mood being changed to some sort of bell curve system that settles around the middle unless you do great or bad things.

It works off your finishing league possition from the seasons before when working out the mood calculation. I've told you this before but you seem determined to find some other means of measuring team strength to make it look like the system makes no sense. For example the two qualificcation games you mentioned-

Phantom FC 5 : 1 Alkington FC

Last season Phantom finished Division III.15 in position 6 and Alkington finished Division IV.21 in position 2. That's a 4 place difference which isn't huge. Historically, as Greg said it's the last few seasons count, it's a similar difference each time. Alkinton lost 5-1 so deserved the mood drop.

Villa Heuer 5 : 1 PES FC

Vila Hauer F.C. finished Série D.21 in position 6 and PES FC finished Série F.0141 in position 1. An eleven place difference here so you would expect that a good win would be needed. Add to this the fact that PES FC have only had one season before this one and you see why Heuer needed to win by more than 5.

This all makes perfect sense to me but like I said you seem determined to work off ratings and rankings (whichever one makes it look like a bad calculation ;) ) I haven't seen a single mood change in this new mood system that doesn't make sense if you look at it like this.
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Please give me the exact formula then presumably that you have gotten from Greg, I have seen no news on the exact formula.