Subject: Supporters Mood Dropping...

if supporters are now 'smart' enough to know when a victory should be lopsided, they should be smart enough to realize i am playing my entire b squad.

Totally agree. That's what I think. Supporters are people that know what's your A team, or at least should know it. And they should know either that you don't need to put your best players in the first rounds of cup to win the games (in despite of the result), because you have to beat much stronger teams on the league.
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any admins/programmers taking heed of this..

or whats happening in polish forums?

a win is a win at the end of the day...
think the game expects too much to be honest...

you dont go out to annihalate cup teams/friendlies... thats about winning... and then preservign players for main matches in league
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Any change?

I'm waiting to listen that: Dev's are making another system!!

or at least strongly balance this one and not allow mood dropping in case of win...

Playing versus your friends in lower divisions is a large part of the game for many people.

I cannot understand why these changes seek to obstruct that. If you try to run a decent club it will no longer make sense to play low ranked teams. This is really a shame.

I am also sure that more teams will try to play it safe in friendlies. This will lower tactical activity, which imho is very sad since the tactical options is one of Sokkers strenghts.

It will also create disputes as managers will seek to beat a better ranked team by playing that evil attacker they promised to bench.


I really have a hard time understanding why friendlies must have such huge impact on ranking and supportmood. Could someone please enlighten me?

I really have a hard time understanding why friendlies must have such huge impact on ranking and supportmood.

the effect on supportermood is very small btw. And I like it like it is, friendlies in other games that are only useful for training are much more boring than here, I use to watch my friendlies live in sokker because they have some importance. That's why they have a little effect on the supporters I guess, it's more interesting and more real - why should supporters pay for a friendly but not care about the result? And the effect on ranking is set to give teams from lower leagues the chance to reach the cup draw by winning their friendlies.

I'm waiting to listen that: Dev's are making another system!!

not a new system, but some adjustments - greg said in linguist forum:

will be little tuned since this sunday, so next Wednesday should be less problems. But don't expect revolution - when teams score too little with poor rival they [the supporters] will be disappointed.

I think that's a good decision. Please remember that the changes also had some positive effects - promoted teams can bear some losses now without losing their good supporters mood ie...

3 wins in a row with good score and mood is down :S My team is fucked up now :S

So thanks !

And even if they tune it a bit next week, it's still ridicolous to change something with that much influence over your income just like that ... And now I must play with my first team every match to win with high numbers. Why ?? I don't like it if a game forces me to do things I don't want !! Even worse, a game that forces me to do things that aren't even necessary.
To win a cupmatch 8-0 with my second team is better then 15-0 with my first team ... but not to this game anymore :S
(hope this is good english :P)
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there is not a chance in hell that the supporter mood will take into account that you played your B team - nor should it

Well the chance is there if you let ratings of the match influence the calculated difference between the two teams :) I think that IS simple to do ;)

Thanks mauser for the information.

but should it be done?

in RL we know it happens - and fans accept the lower win

but if you lose you should get extra penalty on fans because not only did you lose but the manager is an fool too - as in RL

in RL we know it happens - and fans accept the lower win

Nah, then fans are little disappointed in RL too and maybe also have lower expectations for their team. If fanlevel here in Sokker drops by 1 level, then this is not much in RL. In RL there are hardly any clubs that have fans that are all "madly in love" with their club.

Has anyone stopped to think this might be a deliberate move by the devs to stop the biggest teams continuing to improve faster than the smaller teams can catch up. The only people who seem to be badly affected are teams in the top tiers of their country, where's the problem? :) If it is deliberate then it's quite a clever move...

It did occur to me that it was a way of taking some money out of the game but it doesn't strike me as logical the way they're doing it.

I am not in the top tier but am affects sort of. I lost 5 levels of fan mood because I lost to a team as good if not better then me in a playoff. Fair enough that should not happen again now but because of the changes it's even harder to get the mood back up. Even though I have won all games so far I have only climbed 1 level back up and that includes a win in the cup with reserves against a team more or less as good as those reserves.

The change would be fine if it took into account the strength of the two teams that play each other but this doesn't seem to do that. As it is now it will stifle reserve team developement because people are forced to play their strongest teams or lose fan mood.

I would say either base this on the average values of the 22 players that are playing the match or base it on the average skill points of those 22 players and winning by 5 goals or more should be fine and not drop fan mood.

there is not a chance in hell that the supporter mood will take into account that you played your B team - nor should it

That's why this change is ridiculous : it is supposed to be more complex and "realistic" but the model behind this is not complex enough to do the job correctly. At the end, this is even less realistic than before.

But ok, let's crush newb teams 23-0 to maintain fan moods, and see them leave the game because of stupid Sokker scores...