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Subject: Supporters Mood Dropping...
ok just to say, another HORRIBLE decision...
I must say, since the beginning of this game (and ive been here since te beginning) ive never seen one change that i can say: "WHAT A GOOD CHANGE"...
So that change worst tahn the others...
SO i loose a game with a weak team, so the supporters mooth will drop, so i will never beat stronger teams beause i wont play with them, so the supporter mooth wont go up and i will lose supporters week over week??
What a improvement...
If u stay quiet, this game would be more promising, with that changes i`m beggining to give up of this game...
So many changes, so many changes, and all worst tahn the last... Hattrick have done the same mistake... So did u...
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I must say, since the beginning of this game (and ive been here since te beginning) ive never seen one change that i can say: "WHAT A GOOD CHANGE"...
So that change worst tahn the others...
SO i loose a game with a weak team, so the supporters mooth will drop, so i will never beat stronger teams beause i wont play with them, so the supporter mooth wont go up and i will lose supporters week over week??
What a improvement...
If u stay quiet, this game would be more promising, with that changes i`m beggining to give up of this game...
So many changes, so many changes, and all worst tahn the last... Hattrick have done the same mistake... So did u...
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It's not ratings but ranking that it seems to be based on. Because of this teams with inflated ranking seem to be affected the most from this but once the teams ranking is stabilized it should sort itself out.
I for one don't think there should be a divine right to have your supporters at madly in love, that for me was a lot more unrealistic.
I for one don't think there should be a divine right to have your supporters at madly in love, that for me was a lot more unrealistic.
I've had a long mail exchange with Greg about this problem. In the last one he said that it's not the ranking, but didn't say what it is. I replyed asking him what is used to decide the strength ratio and I hope to get an answer. I can't guarantee that he will though. He seemed to be tired of our reactions.
The only "good" changes for players are always only the ones where everyone does get a profit. Like new animations, there were almost only positive reactions on that.
Of course the good and bad of the last changes does even out rationally. But the ones that did profit of the change do not seem to know they did profit (the ones that lost and had no loss in fanmood, or the ones with high jumps in fan mood after beating stronger enemies). Well, quite hard to please the players. Probably that's why Hattrick still has a crappy "engine" (well if you want to call it that) and system and does not touch it :D
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Of course the good and bad of the last changes does even out rationally. But the ones that did profit of the change do not seem to know they did profit (the ones that lost and had no loss in fanmood, or the ones with high jumps in fan mood after beating stronger enemies). Well, quite hard to please the players. Probably that's why Hattrick still has a crappy "engine" (well if you want to call it that) and system and does not touch it :D
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I'm not surprised if he's annoyed by an inbox full of whining every time he tries to improve his free to play game ^^ Btw 'our' reaction seems to be about 10 managers who find it crazy to not have top fan club mood at all times even if they've thrown a play off game or lost to an underdog in the cup :) I'm happy to give it more than 3 weeks to see how it settles down in the long term.
They not only lost fan club mood when they lose, but there were some managers, who lose 1 or 2 levels, inspite of wins. This changes means that you will never more have top fan club mood because of this silly changes. What a crazy think, that in the 1st and 2nd league you can't have a normal fan club mood. And don't say, that in the top leagues the clubs used to have very high mood, because it's not true.
Well yes it is true. Because they gained fanmood even when beating small clubs in cup with only few goals high level clubs usually had very high fanmood compared to low level clubs.
My fans are still crazy. Not for long, but that's ok.
My fans are still crazy. Not for long, but that's ok.
Because they gained fanmood even when beating small clubs in cup with only few goals
i havent gained mood levels for beating crappy teams (3 divisions below) by ~10 goals in the cup for a few seasons, so thats not exactly true. i thought not gaining was fair enough, but dont agree with dropping
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i havent gained mood levels for beating crappy teams (3 divisions below) by ~10 goals in the cup for a few seasons, so thats not exactly true. i thought not gaining was fair enough, but dont agree with dropping
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Well, they dont touch it, and if they see the bad examples of other online games, they will never do it, sokker is worst than ever in all maters...
No animations, no anything new in gameview, and the game engine is so unreal, so bad bad bad that makes me vomit while watching my games and not only my games, NT games too. I`m starting to lose any bright i had while watching games in sokker...
The game is unreal, player misses are unreal, some goals are unreal... everything its getting much more unreal that it was in the beginning, but for them, they are pretty close from the crappy football played in their country, its too damn close. BTW expect some changes in players, like taking the technique skill from players, because in Polska there is not such thing, and we will play games with the ball in the air, and goals??? only by heading, no such thing as player alone vs keeper...
SO bad it makes me sick...I Keep playing hoping someone from Brazil or Italy or any other place chose to develop the game with this ppl that dont understand anything about world football and start to making some big changes, like put different styles of playing in each country that its close to reality, and the same thing on players, latin players more technique and passing skills, and nordic players with quick thinking (playmaking high) and pace and stamina...
Well something like that, and in the match we could see that changes...For now we are playing a game based in Polska, only in Polska, it could be called POLSKA SOKKER MANAGER and they shouldnt have created this bunch of countries...We all should play in the sme country and in that case we couldnt complain because it become REAL, everything is real in this game if we are only thinking in Polska football...
That was their first mistake.
In the beggiing, the game engine was limited but perfectly adapted to any country, or better, we couldnt tell that the game engine was close to any country. Now we can see that the game engine is polska based, and they have done that after every world started playing. Thats cruel...
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No animations, no anything new in gameview, and the game engine is so unreal, so bad bad bad that makes me vomit while watching my games and not only my games, NT games too. I`m starting to lose any bright i had while watching games in sokker...
The game is unreal, player misses are unreal, some goals are unreal... everything its getting much more unreal that it was in the beginning, but for them, they are pretty close from the crappy football played in their country, its too damn close. BTW expect some changes in players, like taking the technique skill from players, because in Polska there is not such thing, and we will play games with the ball in the air, and goals??? only by heading, no such thing as player alone vs keeper...
SO bad it makes me sick...I Keep playing hoping someone from Brazil or Italy or any other place chose to develop the game with this ppl that dont understand anything about world football and start to making some big changes, like put different styles of playing in each country that its close to reality, and the same thing on players, latin players more technique and passing skills, and nordic players with quick thinking (playmaking high) and pace and stamina...
Well something like that, and in the match we could see that changes...For now we are playing a game based in Polska, only in Polska, it could be called POLSKA SOKKER MANAGER and they shouldnt have created this bunch of countries...We all should play in the sme country and in that case we couldnt complain because it become REAL, everything is real in this game if we are only thinking in Polska football...
That was their first mistake.
In the beggiing, the game engine was limited but perfectly adapted to any country, or better, we couldnt tell that the game engine was close to any country. Now we can see that the game engine is polska based, and they have done that after every world started playing. Thats cruel...
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Btw 'our' reaction seems to be about 10 managers who find it crazy to not have top fan club mood at all times even if they've thrown a play off game or lost to an underdog in the cup
But we are not complaining about not have top fan club mood at all times... we are complaining about win a match, and still have a drop of the mood! that just don´t make sense. Ok, if your opponent was an "underdog" team, your victory maybe don´t deserve a rise mood, but if you win there´s no reason to have a drop mood.
Ok if the fan club mood is not on the top everytime, I don´t complain about this, but it´s quietly ridiculous have a drop mood even with a victory, including when we use our b-team (most U20 players).
But we are not complaining about not have top fan club mood at all times... we are complaining about win a match, and still have a drop of the mood! that just don´t make sense. Ok, if your opponent was an "underdog" team, your victory maybe don´t deserve a rise mood, but if you win there´s no reason to have a drop mood.
Ok if the fan club mood is not on the top everytime, I don´t complain about this, but it´s quietly ridiculous have a drop mood even with a victory, including when we use our b-team (most U20 players).
Btw 'our' reaction seems to be about 10 managers who find it crazy to not have top fan club mood at all times even if they've thrown a play off game or lost to an underdog in the cup
But this is completely wrong...
Look at my last 10 games, and told me which should be my fan mood...
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Actually they are 1 level above the minimum !
How the hell could be fair ?
But this is completely wrong...
Look at my last 10 games, and told me which should be my fan mood...
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Actually they are 1 level above the minimum !
How the hell could be fair ?
You did lose your qualification match 9-0, there is another topic on that one.
Anyway, it has made the game less fun for me, these last changes. Lost 70k income from sponsors, supporters are running away and there is no hope for the near future as my ranking is still wat too high.
Anyway, it has made the game less fun for me, these last changes. Lost 70k income from sponsors, supporters are running away and there is no hope for the near future as my ranking is still wat too high.
I know, that´s what i was saying... it ain't fair!
Well, I think the game here is much more real than any text-manager, and it is from playing more real than all other managers with graphical view. You cannot expect sokker to be like a real football match on telly, because it is IMPOSSIBLE to generate all the influences in RL here. That are just too many. Furthermore Sokker wanted to make a simulation that is more fun than in RL, for example it is easier to outsmart the tactics of the enemy here than in RL and thus more 1:1 against goalkeeper, more shots on goal than in RL, more action and less "safety play", no "playing for time", no striker that just tries to get a penalty, no fake offsides etc :P
And for me this works. Matches are more fun to watch than in RL.
About Sokker being polska oriented. You do know a lot about polska football do you? Oh you don't? So why do you know that it should be "more" oriented to polska sokker than to other ones?
You are of course right that in RL some countries do TRAIN more technique or more playmaking. But here in Sokker we do not have a forced training of technique for Brasil or nordic countries with playmaking. And guess what: it would make no sense to do that. Every manager should be able to decide for himself what he wants to train his players in and if he wants to adjust his training to reality. :) At least that is what I think.
Of course about this change we can argue about and try to find a better solution.
And for me this works. Matches are more fun to watch than in RL.
About Sokker being polska oriented. You do know a lot about polska football do you? Oh you don't? So why do you know that it should be "more" oriented to polska sokker than to other ones?
You are of course right that in RL some countries do TRAIN more technique or more playmaking. But here in Sokker we do not have a forced training of technique for Brasil or nordic countries with playmaking. And guess what: it would make no sense to do that. Every manager should be able to decide for himself what he wants to train his players in and if he wants to adjust his training to reality. :) At least that is what I think.
Of course about this change we can argue about and try to find a better solution.
Don't say it to me. I played 8 season in the 1st division and I just get maximum in the first few weeks and in the last season's 2nd part for some weeks. But after a lose I always lose supporter mood.
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