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Subject: [IDEA] Buy a B-team
I dont like the idea..... imagine 3 best managers in country has 6 teams in upper league.....
there should be some rule, that B team can't play at the same league level as A team ;)
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there should be some rule, that B team can't play at the same league level as A team ;)
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I'm working on that, I guess in two or three seasons from now I'm ready ;-)
But I guess the other teams will give me so much advantage I could reach that much faster :-P
But I guess the other teams will give me so much advantage I could reach that much faster :-P
So it is no longer the winner of a league who is going to be promoted... ;)
And what if the first team get relegated to a division where the second team is active? And what if that is the lowest division? And what if a team with plus in the lowest division wants a second team?
that B team can't play at the same league level as A team
No indeed, there should be a complete new league. That's why a world league would be nice.
And best would be to make this whole B-team completely separated from A-team, so also the finances, transferlists, youth school, everything. Simply said, a copy of Sokker but with only 1 world league and many divisions.
And divisions something like his would be nice:
Division 1 (1) - Division I
Division 2 (2) - Division II.01, Division II.02
Division 3 (4) - Division III.01 - Division III.04
Division 4 (8) - Division IV.01 - Division IV.08
Division 5 (16) - Division V.01 - Division V.16
Division 6 (16) - Division VI.01 - Division VI.16
Division 7 (1) - Division VII (like Junior league)
Bottom division like junior league so teams can easily join this world league, also during the season. And from division 5 only 16 leagues per division so teams can promote a lot of times. And when many teams are in the bottom league a new division 7 (16), division 8 (16), etc, can easily be added.
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No indeed, there should be a complete new league. That's why a world league would be nice.
And best would be to make this whole B-team completely separated from A-team, so also the finances, transferlists, youth school, everything. Simply said, a copy of Sokker but with only 1 world league and many divisions.
And divisions something like his would be nice:
Division 1 (1) - Division I
Division 2 (2) - Division II.01, Division II.02
Division 3 (4) - Division III.01 - Division III.04
Division 4 (8) - Division IV.01 - Division IV.08
Division 5 (16) - Division V.01 - Division V.16
Division 6 (16) - Division VI.01 - Division VI.16
Division 7 (1) - Division VII (like Junior league)
Bottom division like junior league so teams can easily join this world league, also during the season. And from division 5 only 16 leagues per division so teams can promote a lot of times. And when many teams are in the bottom league a new division 7 (16), division 8 (16), etc, can easily be added.
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what happens if B-team was in II division and promotion to first league and A-team goes to the II division at the same time?
btw, could be a good idea. the problem is cheating, so there is an option. B-team can't buy, only can be integrated by juniors of the main team. could be nice and I will buy plus XD
there should be some rule, that B team can't play at the same league level as A team ;)
Yeah!
e: also world league could solve that problem.
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Yeah!
e: also world league could solve that problem.
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what happens if B-team was in II division and promotion to first league and A-team goes to the II division at the same time?
Like in RL, I guess, though it would be a bit tricky to implement well all the cases. Many years ago (20+, I think), I saw a case in Spain and checked a bit how it was working: Castilla (Real Madrid "B") was sent to relegate from II, but Real Madrid juniors ("C") won and it was due to promote to II. So, Castilla ("B") finally stayed in II, while the "C" team stayed in its own division (IIB).
I don't know if the system could have changed in these years (although I see no motive for having done so), but the sense in these regulations was that B (and lesser) teams are considered 'filials' of the main team, so, for historic or prestige level, a lower team must not 'step over' the teams above (and, being the same club, it would be a bit absurd, as teams would interchange complete squads, and in the following season the situation would be practically the same).
The sense would be that both teams could play with their own pace and objectives, but having into consideration two points:
- they can never be in the same League level.
- the B team can not step over the A team (only possible if A relegates and B promotes at the same time from adjacent League levels).
In game terms, the things could be this way (for instance):
- If both end in 1st place, they will carry on their promotion attempts. If both do promotion, both do. But if A team fails (and stays), B team stays, yet he can have won its own attemps (so, its oponent would not relegate, although he had lost).
- If A team ends 5th-8th, and B team ends 1st, they will carry on their relegation & promotion attempts. If A teams achieves to stay, the B team do so (as it can not promote). But if A teams do relegate, and B team do promote, then they "switch" places and they do not change (in this case, B team would have 'saved' the A one). To avoid messing with other groups, A team could move ("horizontally") to the group where B had gone as result of its failed promotion, and the same for B team.
- If a team A ends 2nd-3rd, and the B team ends 1st, then it wiould have no options to promote. In this case, the 2nd in the group of B team would substitute it as group's 'champion' for promotion purposes (unless this 2nd it is in the same situation, so the option would pass to the 3rd, and so on).
- If A team does relegate, and B team does not promote, then A descends, and B also steps back one League level (in cascade). In this case, team from the lower legue should be "promoted" to fill the empty place of B team. To do, the best team in the promoting champions ranking order of that League which had lost its play-off match would be given that automatic promotion (*)
- And of course, if both relegate, both would do, as normal. And if neither promote or relegate, then they would stay in their groups, and no problem too.
(*): note that this could affect the situation of promotions/relegations of other A-B pairs, if the new 'promoted' team could be in a conflicting situation with its own correspondent other team, and these last changes might have to be supervised and adjusted *manually* by the admins.
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Well, it can be difficult to implement something similar (and I could be missing more situations, maybe), but if things were to be done well and fair, all the possible cases and situations should have to be covered, to avoid posterior surprises or/and injustices.
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Like in RL, I guess, though it would be a bit tricky to implement well all the cases. Many years ago (20+, I think), I saw a case in Spain and checked a bit how it was working: Castilla (Real Madrid "B") was sent to relegate from II, but Real Madrid juniors ("C") won and it was due to promote to II. So, Castilla ("B") finally stayed in II, while the "C" team stayed in its own division (IIB).
I don't know if the system could have changed in these years (although I see no motive for having done so), but the sense in these regulations was that B (and lesser) teams are considered 'filials' of the main team, so, for historic or prestige level, a lower team must not 'step over' the teams above (and, being the same club, it would be a bit absurd, as teams would interchange complete squads, and in the following season the situation would be practically the same).
The sense would be that both teams could play with their own pace and objectives, but having into consideration two points:
- they can never be in the same League level.
- the B team can not step over the A team (only possible if A relegates and B promotes at the same time from adjacent League levels).
In game terms, the things could be this way (for instance):
- If both end in 1st place, they will carry on their promotion attempts. If both do promotion, both do. But if A team fails (and stays), B team stays, yet he can have won its own attemps (so, its oponent would not relegate, although he had lost).
- If A team ends 5th-8th, and B team ends 1st, they will carry on their relegation & promotion attempts. If A teams achieves to stay, the B team do so (as it can not promote). But if A teams do relegate, and B team do promote, then they "switch" places and they do not change (in this case, B team would have 'saved' the A one). To avoid messing with other groups, A team could move ("horizontally") to the group where B had gone as result of its failed promotion, and the same for B team.
- If a team A ends 2nd-3rd, and the B team ends 1st, then it wiould have no options to promote. In this case, the 2nd in the group of B team would substitute it as group's 'champion' for promotion purposes (unless this 2nd it is in the same situation, so the option would pass to the 3rd, and so on).
- If A team does relegate, and B team does not promote, then A descends, and B also steps back one League level (in cascade). In this case, team from the lower legue should be "promoted" to fill the empty place of B team. To do, the best team in the promoting champions ranking order of that League which had lost its play-off match would be given that automatic promotion (*)
- And of course, if both relegate, both would do, as normal. And if neither promote or relegate, then they would stay in their groups, and no problem too.
(*): note that this could affect the situation of promotions/relegations of other A-B pairs, if the new 'promoted' team could be in a conflicting situation with its own correspondent other team, and these last changes might have to be supervised and adjusted *manually* by the admins.
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Well, it can be difficult to implement something similar (and I could be missing more situations, maybe), but if things were to be done well and fair, all the possible cases and situations should have to be covered, to avoid posterior surprises or/and injustices.
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It seems, that Greg still doesnt know how to make money (read: milk the cow), because that is one great way to get some extra funds.
Perhaps Plus users could play with their new B-team in a World League, but with coins they could buy a team to their local league level. Although, I rather prefer, that B-team will be added to users home country.
Perhaps Plus users could play with their new B-team in a World League, but with coins they could buy a team to their local league level. Although, I rather prefer, that B-team will be added to users home country.
Greg, if you need some extra funds, then this is one solution. ;)
I'm not sure about buying a b-team but a new server for people who have been playing for 5+ years would be nice...it would be more challenging because even though you know a lot more now than when you first started you'd have to adapt to the fact that there is no real transfer market at the beginning...
The only problem is that a lot of managers might abandon their current teams because the new ones are more interesting and sokker is too small to get split in two like that...
The only problem is that a lot of managers might abandon their current teams because the new ones are more interesting and sokker is too small to get split in two like that...
But plus users already have an advantage to gain experience with arcade matches...
No, they can get more experienced if they play these matches. And this could be an advantage, but not necessarily.
I think you should only be allowed if the B team is in a lower division in the same country as your own, and as long as there are certain rules and regulations banning players from switching between the A and B teams frequently etc.